Elena Sidelnikova
Conversation with Lucifer
If a reflecting lens is weak in its characteristics, it reflects not all the light, but the strongest. All the terms in which we converse are, of course, conditional, but try to understand. So, there is an original source of Divine Light, which you call the Absolute, or the Source. It gives the Impulse of Creation, that is, it directs the Ray of Creation outward from itself.
This Ray begins to reflect multiple times from the denser parts of Divine Light. And everything that is further created under the influence of this Ray of Creation is a multitude of its reflections and reflections of reflections.
But among the reflecting objects, there are reflectors-lenses of such quality that they can cleanse the degree of distortion of the original impulse and amplify it. And then, in the system of interaction of many reflections, appear those whom you call Gods, Archangels, Teachers. Their reflected light is stronger than ordinary reflections and is therefore perceived by a greater number of objects and reflected by them. This is how Worlds of Perception are created.
Part 5. The Laws of Creation. The True Boundaries of Self
Tell me, how did duality come into being?
Separation. It began with the separation of God from within God. A part of God separated itself as an island and stood opposite God so that He could perceive this part of Himself. But in becoming an island of God, this part began to delve into the center of itself. And the further it delved into its own center, the more it distanced itself from the True God, the more it forgot its connection to God, and the more it considered itself independent. This was the primary illusion of separation. A being living in the depths of the ocean, unaware that beyond the ocean's surface, there is the light of the Sun. And the deeper it dives into the ocean's abyss, the less pure light reaches it, and the more it seems to it that there is no Sun, only the ocean.
You said that the deeper the being delved into itself, the more it lost its connection to God. But we believe that by delving into ourselves, we find God there.
That’s a linear perception. When the Particle of God began to delve into itself and distance itself from the True God, it started to create and unfold entire worlds within itself since it originally possessed all the qualities of the Creator.
And these unfolded worlds within itself became its external world, while the facets of the Particle of God’s connection with God became its internal points of contact. Everything reflected oppositely. First inward, and then from within outward.
The creation of space consists of unfolding a point of potential. There is the Particle of God as an island of God. It strives into itself and unfolds its creations and spaces within itself. This is the very inversion you’ve been told about. By unfolding the created spaces within itself, the Particle of God unfolds Points of Potentials of Creation, and thus the inversion of space occurs from outside God into the Particle of God.
And the boundary of contact with God folds into the inner space. That is, what is created by the Particle of God becomes the External Cosmos, external in relation to God, because it is a part of God outside God. And the part of the Particle of God that touches God, the boundary with God, becomes the Inner Cosmos because it is the True God Himself.
Very confusing. What happened next?
Next, the Particle of God began to allocate islands of itself, which were opposite it, so that it could observe and perceive them. And so the second degree of separation arose. The first, as you remember, was the separation of the Particle of God outside of God so that He could observe it. The second is the separation of a part of the Particle of God outside of this Particle so that it could observe this part of itself. And so on to infinity.
But doesn’t that mean that God can only observe a part of the Particle of God through this Particle of God?
Exactly. And that is why God cannot directly influence a part of the Particle of God, but only through this Particle. And this is the Law of Free Will.
What kind of free will is that if God simply cannot influence this part?
Think about it. This is how the cause-and-effect relationship was born. That is, a part of the Particle of God became the effect, and the Particle of God was the cause of the emergence of this part.
And God could observe parts of Himself only through the prism of these parts, and this is the reflection and movement of Divine Light inward. Everything is similar.
You said that a part of God separated outside of God. Was this part you? Does that mean we are all parts of your Particle?
Yes, that’s correct. But alongside you, other parts of God also separated, and this was what is called the rebellion of the Angels. Did these parts of God also unfold their worlds within themselves?
Yes, the universe is diverse. They created other worlds and systems in their own image and likeness.
Do these worlds intersect?
Everything that has similarity intersects. If you are a millionth reflection of me, then what is your degree of similarity with the millionth reflection of another creator? Do you understand? He and I are particles of God, and in this, we are similar, but then we began to create worlds within ourselves in our own likeness. “In our own likeness” means from ourselves and within ourselves.
But creative impulses are different; just as one artist’s painting is unlike another’s, so the degree of similarity of our creations varies. You have realist artists who try to reflect what they see traditionally. But then cubists and impressionists appear, and other paintings and other creations emerge. This is the prism of reflection. How similar is Malevich’s square to the world around you?
But what exactly is free will?
In the ability to create. And in separation. The True God separated Parts of Himself and gave them the ability to also create parts of themselves, granting them the freedom to create. He also realized that if He were to interfere with the creations of His parts, the impulse of His interference would reach the point of intervention distorted, as it would pass through layers of distortion. And God understood that His interference would not be as He intended. Thus, the Law of Non-Intervention was born. These two laws are connected: the law of cause and effect and the law of free will.
Do we perceive this as some kind of gift, or is it merely a forced measure?
A gift is something that is given without expecting anything in return. Isn’t this a gift from God to you and all your parts?
Alright. But how did duality come into being? Light and dark, high and low, male and female?
Don’t rush. I am trying to explain this to you. There are still many conversations ahead.
Creation formed, and the laws of creation were also formed. And the Law of Likeness emerged. Nothing is like anything else because everything is a distortion. And everything is like everything else because it has a single Source and a single essence.
If everything is God, then everything is similar. But there are differences in similarity. And the Particles of God began to interact according to the degree of likeness. And thus, the Poles of Likeness began to arise.
Look. At the border with God, a Particle of God is similar to God, but the deeper it delves into its own center through its creations, the more this similarity is distorted. This is the first two poles of likeness, or the poles of duality: I and God.
The second pair of poles of duality: I and a part of me. And so on.
But the parts of me within me are also different. And their creations are different.
And what about the female and male? How did this distinction come about?
In the same way. Some parts of God adjusted their prisms of perception of God to a certain degree of refraction of His Light. And the degrees of creation were different: passive and active degrees of creation.
What does this mean?
I am searching for words within you. What is active creation? It is the creation of something whose degree of likeness to you is low, meaning something more distinct from you, more distorted. Accordingly, passive creation is the creation of something close and similar to you. And at the same time, this is a kind of Span of Creation. That is, you can create by diving into yourself and distancing yourself from yourself.
Don’t try to understand this linearly; learn to think multidimensionally. To prevent confusion, let’s define that the distinction of Yourself is the closeness to God, or that very border with God that is within you. The further you distance yourself from God in your creations, the more actively you create, the more you create by expanding yourself outward from within. The less you distance yourself from God, the more you immerse yourself in your creation, and the more passively you create. But all of this is conditional because it all happens within you, and in the active part of creation, you simply unfold, turn a part of yourself outward from within.
Those who read our conversations say that all of this is very complex.
Don’t think about others. Try to understand and remember for yourself. Those who wish to understand will comprehend and realize.
Look. The more you create, the more various creations appear within you. Some of them are active, and some of them are passive creations. And according to the Law of Likeness, they polarize, meaning the like attracts the like. And so, within you, two poles are formed: the pole of active creation and the pole of passive creation. Depending on which of your creations prevail within you, your affiliation with the male or female type of perception is determined.
You have a concept: unity as the struggle of opposites. Replace the word “struggle” with “interaction,” and you will get the correct reflection.
But why did opposition arise?
Masculine energy, being active, initiated this opposition. The active aspect represents a greater degree of separation from God; the further the separation, the stronger the illusion of being separate. Those parts of the particles of God that began to create actively and distanced themselves from God to a greater degree, thereby expanded themselves into external worlds. And the more they expanded outwardly, the further they distanced themselves from God, the more they considered themselves separate, and the more they perceived their external worlds as reality, eventually believing that the boundaries of their created external worlds were the true boundaries of themselves.
Then they decided that they were defined not by their inner boundaries with the True God, but by their external boundaries, the boundaries with the world external to them.
Look. Your physical body and the existing external reality perceived by you are your active creation. You begin to perceive your boundaries as the outline of your physical body and fight for your physical inviolability. But you do not realize that these boundaries are an illusion. Your true boundary is the one that separates you from God, and it is located within you. And if you turn your creation inward, you will begin to return to God within yourself, creating other magical worlds along the way. And this is passive creation.
But don’t we all actively create the external perceived worlds? Does that mean we are all men?
You are talking about the physical body. When every morning you wake up and create the world perceived by you within the part of yourself, you create actively, distancing yourself from the true boundaries of yourself, and you feel your separation from God. And many of you become so engrossed in this external creation of yourselves that you consider it the boundary of your true self. But when you return to God within yourself, to me, to Kuthumi, to all your parts within yourself, you interact with us through your true boundaries, through that which separates you from the True God. And then you create passively.
So, everything I see around me is my external creation of myself? And everything I feel within me is my internal creation of myself? But then, are you also my internal creation?
You could say that.
So, what yogis see when they travel through astral worlds is simply their internal creation? And it doesn’t actually exist?
We have already discussed what reality is. Reality is what you perceive. If you perceive a certain reality, it exists for you just as you perceive it. If you become a multidimensional being and begin to perceive several realities simultaneously or in succession, they all exist at the moment you perceive them.
If you perceive several realities simultaneously, they all exist simultaneously for you. What another person perceives also exists, but only when you perceive it. Therefore, there is no point in arguing about who is right. Each of you is right because everything you perceive does indeed exist. That reality exists because he creates it. Perception is creation. Do you understand?
Part 6. Heaven and Hell. Paths to Infinity
Tell me about the concepts we have about you. Heaven and hell—what are they?
A form of perception or creation of the World. What are heaven and hell in your understanding?
Hell is a place where the Souls of the dead end up if they have sinned. There, they receive punishment. And heaven is the opposite, where the Souls who lived righteously go.
We have already discussed what "sin" is—it's the irrational use of Divine energy. Irrational in the sense that it does not contribute to Movement and Change. Try to move away, at least for a while, from ethical constructs and think from the perspective of energetic processes.
So, if a person uses Divine Energy irrationally, what happens?
You are islands of Divine Energy. And to create a system of input and output valves, you have a chakra system. Each chakra regulates a kind of pressure in the energetic processes happening within your island of perception. But most of your energy simply circulates within you. It cannot disappear; it can only change its characteristics due to external or internal influence. If you spend it on transforming your reality, it continues to exist in the form of that reality.
Where did the concept of hell come from? From human ideas about it.
What is punishment?
Everything is a Reflection of Divine Light. And as a reflection, it cannot be right or wrong. It simply is.
Which color in the rainbow is correct, and which is not? Everything is countless Glints observed by God. And, as you’ve already realized, He has no preferences. Every newly created Glint is amazing in its diversity.
So why would God punish someone, and for what, if to Him everything is His Reflection? This means that all existing Reflections are equal or equally interesting and acceptable since they are He Himself.
Punishment does not exist. Or, more simply, it exists in your minds.
Look. A child does something that his parents don't like. And they tell him: this is bad. In turn, they were taught this by their parents, and so on. Gradually, a person forms the concept of "bad and good." In the same way, you formed the concept of hell and heaven.
So, you mean to say that neither hell nor heaven exists?
Everything exists that you believe in. If you believe that in hell devils fry sinners on a skillet, but you won't end up there because you behave well, then that's exactly how it is. And if you fear that you'll end up there for your sins, then so it will be.
So, there are many worlds and spaces created by the faith and thoughts of people, including heaven and hell?
More accurately: numerous variations of spaces that you call heaven and hell. And each person has their own.
Where does the Soul of a person go after the physical body dies?
To where it expects to go. Whoever is certain that they will simply dissolve in pure Light does exactly that. Whoever is certain that they will start traveling through numerous worlds does just that. Whoever is certain that they will go to heaven ends up there, according to their own ideas of heaven.
And where do the Souls of atheists go? Those who don't believe in heaven, hell, or God?
To the place they believe in. If a person believes that beyond the threshold of death there is nothingness, then they end up in that nothingness. Everything is the Prism of Reflection.
But aren't we taught that after death, the Soul is met by Teachers and Angels? And they review our completed lessons with us. Then we wait for a new incarnation to correct our mistakes.
You keep returning to the concepts of "right and wrong."
What is a mistake? What reflection of God can be called mistaken?
So, are Angels and Teachers wrong?
Everyone creates the world they believe in. Including Angels and Teachers. Everyone creates within themselves. Everything is similar. And each describes their own world to you.
And you? And I, as a part of you. And you, as a part of me. If a person's Soul after death ends up in the world they created with their beliefs, how long do they stay there?
You'd be surprised, but exactly as long as they choose. Until they decide they have had enough of that experience. For example, until they feel they have atoned for their sins in hell. Or they get bored in heaven. Or they want to return to the physical world again.
If we follow this concept, does it mean that the Soul can return to the physical world without being an infant? Why then do we come into the physical world in that way?
Why do you think it's only that way? There are many worlds of different densities, and many can be accessed just by the power of thought.
Why then did all the people on our planet come through birth?
Not all. But the majority did, because they chose this. They chose to go through all the stages: to be a child, an adolescent, an adult, and old.
They chose to be old?
Yes. Why does that surprise you? Some of you didn't choose old age but chose to leave this world in another way, through unnatural death, through illness or disaster, through murder or suicide, and so on.
Are you saying that suicides choose their death in advance?
You define the important points of your journey. Death, or transitioning to another density, is one of those points.
So, all suicides chose this type of death in advance? Not all, but most. Why? It's better to ask them. Everything is experience. But we have a belief that the Souls of suicides go to hell or some other terrible place after death.
If they fear going to hell, then they go there. All terrible worlds are created by you.
There are many works describing hell and heaven. Dante, Daniil Andreev, church representations… Are you saying that all of this is fantasy?
Yes. Or imposed perception. They are similar, after all. Let's say, Dante's descriptions are very similar to the church representations of the time when the Divine Comedy was written.
As for Daniil Andreev, it's a very interesting form of Light refraction. You see, the refraction of Divine Light happens constantly. And, after physical death, when the Soul is in subtle worlds, it also constantly refracts the Light and perceives these worlds through its prism of perception. Daniil Andreev simply remembered and described his posthumous experience of perception.
So, he created all those levels he describes himself?
Exactly. And anyone can reach these levels if they believe in them and choose to do so.
But if I choose an already created world, am I still creating?
Yes. Because the world you create will still differ from the one you chose. You are the Prism of Reflection. In this case, you create by reflecting already reflected and structured Light.
Then what is the expulsion from Paradise? And the Tree of Knowledge and the Tempting Serpent?
Let’s delve into the concept of knowledge. What can one come to know? What does it mean to "come to know"? It means "to know afterward," after something already exists. You may know that you are the Creator of realities. But to "come to know" this reality, you can only do so after its creation.
Knowledge is the process of perceiving the realities that you yourself have created.
But what is perception? It is a reflection. Therefore, the knowledge of a reality created by you is also your reflection. Every time you come to know something, you change that something, that is—you reflect it.
It’s like a mirror world of sorts. If that’s the case, then I understand why the Universe is infinite. If every Being reflects already created realities anew every moment and creates, imagines new ones, then there can be no boundaries.
Boundaries are an illusion. There is only one boundary—the part of you where you touch God.
Heaven and hell exist in your imagination. And you can expel yourself from it only by your own will.
According to the legend, before Adam and Eve gained certain knowledge by tasting the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, they lived in paradise. But after tasting it, they realized they were naked, and God expelled them from paradise for their disobedience.
Of course, this is an allegory. Adam and Eve gained the right to choose. They learned that everything depends on their choice, and they chose to leave the place called paradise. But they forgot the way back. And now they are searching for the path of return.
Then who is the devil? Does he exist?
Everything that you believe in exists. People believed so strongly in the existence of the devil that he came into being. As a reflection of the Reflection of Divine Light in those who believe in him.
If I don’t believe in you, then you don’t exist?
Yes, in your reality, I will not exist, and I will not speak to you if you believe that I do not exist. You don’t believe in the existence of the devil, so in your reality, he doesn’t exist.
Where did such concepts as the Devil and Satan come from?
It’s difficult for a person to believe that the source of their troubles is themselves. And if you consider your centuries-old religious upbringing, for some of you, the devil is quite a real phenomenon.
There is nothing around you except God. And everything that exists in your life is a brilliantly created script for you, involving various actors and extras. They all appear in your life by your call and by your choice. The process of creation is so intricate that sometimes some of you manage to create phantasmagorical scenes. They create the image of the devil, worship him, and make sacrifices to him.
But there was a time when sacrifices were made to gods as well. You choose idols for yourselves on whom you place responsibility for your decisions and creations.
Why are you considered the source of all human misfortunes?
Because, to some extent, I am indeed the source of your misfortunes. Because I initiated the separation from God and showed you the way to create and be free in your choice of creation. And each of you has used this opportunity in your own way.
Do you think the experiment was successful?
There are no unsuccessful experiments. An experiment can only be unsuccessful if you expect a certain result, and it doesn’t happen. In this case, the result was unpredictable.
Do you like the result?
These are human concepts. How can someone prefer the color red over green? Do you like that there is sky, water, earth, and fire? That there is morning and evening, day and night? They simply exist. Do you like the reflections of trees in the water more than the trees themselves? This is a meaningless question.
But this experiment has brought so much evil—wars, violence, murder, and much more.
Evil is simply the choice of a path. Why don't you say that this experiment has brought a lot of good? Haven't there been beautiful moments in the history of humanity's development? The experiment is an opportunity for each part of God to create independently. Many of your creations are astonishing and beautiful.
Are you proud of your creations?
I do not make evaluations or distinctions. But I see the peaks of your transformations and your creative potentials. They are all within me, and I understand that the experiment has led to growth. It has given you freedom; it has opened pathways to Infinity.
Where are you now?
I am everywhere, for you and I are one whole. But now, I am unfolding my creations in other Universes.
Has the experiment ended?
No, it continues. It is infinite. But now you are coming out of your childhood, and I can step away, so to speak. I can direct the majority of my Creative Potentials towards new creations and new experiments. Just as your filmmakers begin working on a new project, so do I—a new project, a new experiment.
What will happen to us next?
Whatever you choose. And I fully trust your choice.
If creation is only possible through the power of Love, does that mean you created us and our world through the power of Love? Do you love people? More than they can imagine. But humanity as a whole does not feel positive emotions towards you. Everything is changing. Are you waiting for gratitude?
I am waiting for you to realize your power and become my equal partners in the creation of the world we have created together.
