Elena Sidelnikova
Conversation with Lucifer
PART 3. THE LADDER OF THE UNIVERSE
Who are you? Did you not call me by name? Yes, but I was told that you left our Universe for another and said goodbye. And that the energies in this text are not like your energies to those who have interacted with you.
I am multidimensional and omnipresent. I am within each of you.
You are a reflected part of me, and I am reflected by you, along with other reflections.
You take the word "leaving" too literally. To leave means to disconnect, to close off all energetic interaction. But this is impossible to do completely.
Until each of you forgets me entirely, I cannot leave. Every thought you have of me acts like a magnet, drawing a part of me into your energetic fields of interaction.
Moreover, one can only leave something limited, exit beyond something. But you are parts of me. How can I leave myself? The Universe I have gone to is interconnected with your Universe. You could say it is the reverse side of it. And besides, I am present in many other Universes as well.
Does this mean that you are still partially present in our Universe?
What does the word "present" mean to you? The physical presence of my energies? Or the connection and path?
A part of me exists in you, as in every person. This part of me is present in you, which means it is present in the world you speak of. My presence in each of you is my presence in the world.
You often ask about wholeness. It is a complex, multilayered, multidimensional process: gathering oneself into wholeness. You gather parts of yourself, left in different lives in other entities. But everything is similar. I gather parts of myself, scattered in you.
Do you see the tree? It has grown wildly and has many leaves. But does each leaf know where the roots of the tree go? It considers itself free and only connected to the branch on which it grows. But the tree of life is infinite, as are its roots. If the roots have given additional growth and branches underground, can it be said that the roots have left the tree system? For the leaf to understand this, it must see the entire path of energy movement, from each tip of each root to each leaf.
Are you saying that you are the root of life? Or are you one of our roots?
It is difficult for you to understand all this. You are parts of me and connected to me.
Did I understand correctly that, just as roots are the reverse, hidden side of the tree, so you are the hidden side of life on Earth?
This is a long story. Are you ready to listen?
People have created many legends and have completely distorted the understanding of what I am.
And it is a difficult process—transitioning to a new system of worldview.
The experiment, what was it about?
The experiment is something new for you. New conditions, new development.
Creation is a very multilayered process.
Let's talk about limitations. How and where do the boundaries of everything exist? In my perception?
Yes, exactly. In order for me to stand out from God, I limited my perception of God. Do you understand? That is, I deliberately and consciously set boundaries within God and thus became What I Am outside of God. I consciously expressed this intention. But who determines the size of the boundaries, what size they should be? How can one understand what size is within an unlimited space of Divine presence?
We can only define the boundaries ourselves. Each of us, limiting ourselves, separated ourselves from God. By limiting ourselves, we broke our connection with God, because it was only possible to go outside oneself by overcoming the boundaries of oneself. And this was an eternal movement.
At first, we all strove to separate from God to limit ourselves.
And then we strove to reunite with God by overcoming our own boundaries.
In the first case, we sought to become God outside of God, and in the second case, to overcome the boundaries of God outside of God.
And so it continued until each of us discovered that to restore the connection with God, it is not necessary to overcome your boundaries, but simply to realize God within yourself. God is within you. Even if you have become God outside of God, inside you remain the same God, just separated. Then, to restore the connection with God, you do not need to break your boundaries, but simply need to realize the greatness of God within yourself.
This is the main lesson of the experiment, the experiment of distinguishing God outside of the One God, separating parts from the whole and expanding through these parts.
Each of those who stood out from God began to create themselves from within.
It is important to understand that we create nothing but ourselves. If I separated myself by a boundary, I can only create within this boundary and thus create a distinction of myself from what is outside the boundary and what is God.
And I began to create Worlds and Universes within myself. And I realized that I could follow the same path. After all, to create something within myself, I also need to limit it so that it is distinct from me.
Thus, FORMS and BOUNDARIES were created.
By creating boundaries, I simply condensed a part of myself, just as the One God did, who created me. He condensed part of Himself to separate my boundaries so that the Light of God, reflecting off my boundaries, could reflect the reflections of God. And I condensed parts of Myself to separate parts of Myself within Me so that My Light, reflected from the One God, would reflect from the new boundaries of Me.
And then, the parts of Me that I separated within Myself also created parts of themselves and condensed a part of themselves for this purpose.
And so, each subsequent creation was denser than the previous one, from which it separated itself.
And thus DENSITY was created, and the LEVELS OF GOD were created.
So, the 12 planes of vibration are the degrees of the densification of God as He separates Himself in the process of creation?
In reality, there are countless such planes, for God is infinite, as are His creations.
So, the experiment was about separating from God?
Yes, that’s right.
But each subsequent group of creations considered the previous creation its creator. It considered it the creator and true God. And having separated, it began to seek God outside itself, beyond its boundaries. But it could not find Him because the degree of density was already great. And much time was spent realizing that it is unnecessary to seek God outside oneself, but rather to find God within, because each of us, in essence, is God.
What is the Rebellion of Angels?
Words again. You often fall into their trap. Rebellion—stand up, stand out.
There wasn’t a rebellion "against." There was a becoming "within." A becoming of parts of God, different from God in their degree of density.
So, the "fall" is just a degree of density?
Exactly. And that’s how I became a "fallen angel," giving birth to the impulse of densifying the world.
But we are also told about the fall into sin. What is sin? Something contrary to the divine nature.
That is, something opposite, something that stands against.
But what can stand against God? How can it be if everything is God?
That which does not align with the divine nature.
Anger, pride, lust, despair, gluttony, greed, envy. And they say that all of this came from you.
If you look at all these qualities or human states as energetic processes, you’ll understand that sin is the choice of inappropriate states and actions.
Anger and lust are excessive, inappropriate expenditures of creative energy.
Despair is a lack of faith in one’s divine nature, in one’s power as a creator.
Gluttony, greed—the desire to accumulate, that is, to receive more than human nature can absorb.
Envy is also a lack of belief in oneself as a creator. What could you envy if you are capable of creating anything you desire for yourself at any moment? Why accumulate wealth when you can have everything, always? The universe is abundant precisely because the process of creation is limitless.
Then there’s pride. They say that you considered yourself equal to God and even above God, and that’s why He cast you out of Heaven.
Alright, let’s figure this out. We are all equal to God. Both you and I. We differ from Him in scale and direction, but we are parts of Him and, as parts, are equal to Him.
Is a stream equal to the ocean? Are clouds equal to the rain? Do you understand?
What is equality? It is correspondence. Every particle of you corresponds to God because you are created from Him. You are a part of Him, separated from Him. And like a drop of water in a stream is identical to a drop of water in the ocean and a drop of water in the rain.
What does it mean to be "above God"? To be above God, God would have to have boundaries. But He is boundless.
Can one be more powerful than God? But if you become more powerful than God as a part of God, then God also becomes more powerful.
The waves of the ocean might consider themselves powerful during a storm, but they are merely part of the ocean. And can one say that the wave is more powerful than the ocean?
And what does it mean to be "cast out of Heaven"? Where could I be cast out if everything is God and everything around is the Heavens of God?
So, there was no expulsion and no sin of pride or your fall into sin?
Sin is unreasonableness or that which distances you from your divine nature.
When I separated from God by densifying my boundaries, I became a reflection of God.
What is pride? It is the separation of essence from God to such an extent that it forgets its divine nature.
But it’s commonly believed that pride is when a person considers themselves better, smarter, or more deserving than another person.
You must understand that everything that happens around you is your creation.
And you can only create yourself and within yourself. This means that everything you see around you is your creation of yourself, your reflection of yourself from the boundaries of others.
It’s hard to grasp this immediately.
The outlines of the objects you see (or sense, touch, or smell) are merely the response of your directed energy. When you focus your attention on something, you direct your energy there, and it, reflecting off the boundaries of other objects, returns to you as visual, tactile, or olfactory perception.
But it’s important to understand that all of this is your energy, but only reflected and refracted by the boundaries of another. This means that all around you are just reflections of yourself in the form of visual, olfactory, taste, and tactile images-reflections. And all of this is you and your creations.
So how can you consider any part of yourself, your reflected self, more or less worthy of you? Do you understand?
So, what is pride then?
Separation from God. You’ve attached a negative connotation to your concept of sin: it’s something bad and unworthy. It’s important to understand that it’s just unreasonable.
If you’ve lost your way, got lost, would you consider yourself sinful, or would you simply return to the starting point and begin the path anew, or ask someone nearby for directions?
My separation as a part of God created your separation as parts of God, created your densified boundaries within (outside of) God, and separated you from God. And as a result, you began to forget your divine nature and your connection with God and fall into the sins of non-correspondence to the Divine nature, separating from God even more; this was the fall into sin.
So, you, as the closest, in terms of boundaries, to God, His Separation, are the least separated from God and feel your connection with God more than other Separations? But why are you considered responsible for all the sins and misfortunes of humanity?
Because if a person doesn’t realize that everything around them is created by them, they will look for the cause of their troubles outside themselves. They seek it in other people. But deep within, there is knowledge of the beginning of the separation from God, and this knowledge transforms into various legends about the fall into sin and the rebellion of angels against God.
What is the Hierarchy of Dark Forces? If you became the beginning of all beings separated from God, what, in this system, is the Hierarchy of Dark Forces and the Hierarchy of Light Forces?
You often simplify everything into one. Hierarchy is simply a structure according to the degree of separation, separation from God. It’s like steps toward God or away from God: an infinite and multidimensional ladder of Life’s movement, where, infinitely high above, is God, and infinitely far below, there is also God.
But the movement upward is the removal of restrictions through breaking, overcoming the densified boundaries of oneself, and the movement downward is the creation of additional boundaries within oneself and further separation from God.
Look, you are growing, and your awareness is growing, and you begin to understand and realize that your boundaries are barriers you have created between yourself and God, and you strive to go beyond your boundaries, you strive to expand. And when you finally go beyond your boundaries, you understand that you have again gone outside yourself. Because beyond your boundary is also you, but before this moment of densification. And beyond the next boundary, there is also you, only you in a less dense form. And so it goes on infinitely, until you reach your original state. This is your movement, as a part of God, along the path of overcoming boundaries, along the path upward on the Ladder of the Universe.
But there are also those who do not want to climb the ladder, they choose to descend because the ladder is infinite in many directions.
What is the descent? It is the creation within oneself of other boundaries of oneself, even more densification of oneself and distancing oneself not outside, but within oneself. That is, it is the path of further, even deeper separation from God, separation from the original state.
Each of you infinitely ascends and descends the Ladder of the Universe. And then, your closeness to God is not represented by the curve of your path but by the shortest distance.
But all these explanations are far from reality because they describe a linear model, whereas reality itself is multidimensional.
Imagine: an infinite number of versions of you are traveling across countless Ladders of the Universe.
And the Hierarchy of Light Forces are entities that have either reached certain levels of closeness to God or have not created their separation and are not descending the Ladder.
And the Hierarchy of Darkness are those who have distanced themselves from God the most in their wandering along the Ladders of the Universe.
And Angels?
Angels are the qualities of God.
You possess certain qualities that define you as a being and as a person. For example, kindness. Or stubbornness. Or the pursuit of knowledge. Or disbelief. There are many qualities. But your qualities change very often. In the universe, in general, nothing is permanent, but there are some qualities of God that are consistently and steadily inherent in Him. These are Angels, as the embodiment of His qualities.
But you are also an Angel. So, what quality of God do you embody? What you call curiosity. And what place do you occupy on this Ladder of the Universe?
I am the beginning of the steps. The first step—both upward and downward.
But since there is no up or down, but rather a degree of separation from God, I am the beginning of separation from God, I am the first glimmer of God.
But does that mean that if a person returns to God, overcoming the boundaries of themselves, they will sooner or later come to you, as the first step of the Ladder of Separation?
Yes, you’ve understood correctly. That is exactly what happened to Jesus in the desert. He overcame the last—or rather, the first—step and reunited with God. He managed to overcome the illusion of separation and step into the infinity of himself.
So, it turns out you are not to blame for anything? What is guilt? The feeling that you have done something wrong, taken an incorrect action, so much so that you want to fix everything.
So—a feeling that I have taken an inexpedient action, since there is no right or wrong?
No, I didn’t take an inexpedient action, as it led to a new turn in the development of the universe.
But when everything started, I didn’t foresee to what extent the separation from God would reach and what it would lead to.
Isn’t the future known to you?
The future is multi-variant, and it is always in development.
When you plant a seed, you have a general idea of what kind of tree it will grow into. And the tree grows, putting down new roots and branches. But you cannot foresee the fate of every leaf. Some branches may wither or fail to develop, while others may grow excessively, reaching towards the Sun, and so on.
Tell me, is there love among the Dark ones, those who chose separation from God and descent down the Ladder of the Universe?
Love exists everywhere because it is the fundamental creative quality of God, the essence of His creative energy. But, descending down the Ladder of the Universe, this quality seems to weaken. It’s like a bright red color becoming dimmer, murkier, and paler. The further the degree of reflection and distortion, the less love there is as a creative energy.
But then how does the process of creation occur in the dark structures?
It is reversed, mirrored.
Creation above is expansion. Creation below is compression. Two mirror processes because compression is also expansion, but inward.
But more on that later, if you wish. There is still much for you to understand.
Part 4. Light and Darkness. The Illusions of God
Tell me, how did the division between light and dark occur? If each of us is merely a reflection of God, then why is there polarization and opposition?
The ocean is a very rich analogy. You are a drop in the ocean. And you, as a drop, make your own movements, that is, changes. The drop evaporates and rises into the sky. There it becomes part of a cloud, or a snowflake, or crystallizes back into a drop. But first, it becomes part of the cloud. The cloud is also part of the ocean. But the cloud is in the sky, and it contains many drops of the ocean. Then some of these drops, which have become part of the cloud, which is part of the ocean, turn into either snowflakes or back into drops and fall as snow or rain. But some snowflakes are scattered by the wind and carried far from the ocean. And there, uniting into streams, they always strive to return to the ocean, but their path is now long and winding.
And many times they will become clouds and pour down as precipitation, but sooner or later they will return to their source—the Ocean. And they will discover that the ocean is not just the sum of its drops, but something else, more complex. And it is possible to travel not only to the heavens as clouds but also within the ocean as currents. When they travel as drops, they seem freer, as it appears to them. And this path, of course, is more difficult. After all, the drop constantly needs to find its way home to the ocean. It is much easier to travel together with the currents in the ocean.
Rising up as vapor, a drop can become a snowflake. And by becoming a snowflake, it is more rigidly fixed in relation to the external environment. Indeed, you see the beautiful patterns of snowflakes. They are beautiful, but they are cold and seem different from the drop, although in essence they are the same. And you say they are different, not like you.
I think I understand your allegory. But still, what is Darkness?
And what is Light?
Light is the essence of God, that which He is made of.
Yes. Composed of. You do not see the movement of essence. God exists, and He is unknowable. Why? Because a part of God can only comprehend Him by ceasing to be a part. But by ceasing to be a part, it will stop the process of knowing, for there will be nothing to know. When it is God, it does not strive for knowledge, since it is already endowed with all the knowledge and qualities of God. But as soon as it separates as a part, it strives to realize itself as a part and understand its difference from God. But you can only understand your difference by understanding God Himself.
This is some kind of vicious circle.
A circle. You all try to comprehend God by going beyond your limits. By going beyond your limits, you come into contact with other parts of God and discover that they are also not God Himself, but parts of God. Other parts of God. Then you try either to unite with other parts of God or to fight with them, trying to prove that they are the wrong parts of God. And only a small part of you comes to the realization that to comprehend God, you do not need to go outside yourself, but you can comprehend God within yourself, since we are all parts of Him.
Yes, but if we are reflections of God, how can I comprehend God within myself if I am a reflection of His reflection and, as a reflection of reflections, distort His essence?
You can reflect back.
Reflect back? What does that mean?
Remember a sunbeam. You catch the sunlight with a mirror and reflect it onto a wall. Reflect it back onto the sun. Can you imagine the power of the reflected light? The principle of reflected light is the basis of all your most powerful lasers.
If you pass light through a magnifying lens, you can ignite what is nearby. Right now, you are like glass, letting the light pass through you and scattering it. But you can become a magnifying lens and ignite or burn something around you. Or you can become a mirror and reflect a new world from yourself. Do you understand?
Are you saying that everything happening in the world of humans and in the world of higher beings is just different ways of perceiving light? That is, some just scatter it, some use it to harm others, some reflect and build illusory worlds, and so on?
I am saying that you are stronger than God, but you do not realize it. What can Light alone do? It can just be, shine, reflect, and refract. But each prism can amplify or scatter this light and reflect it in its own way. It turns out that you control the Light, not the Light or Darkness controlling you, as you tend to believe.
The term "control" is perceived by us more as manipulation and carries a negative connotation.
Exactly. What is negative about the refraction of light? What is wrong or right about the colors of the rainbow? Which of them are dark and which are light?
But how did the division occur?
Some moved away from God, reflecting and condensing, while others strive to return through refinement and return along the ray. You often use this term. The Ray of Creation is a single ray, the direction of God's energy.
The division occurred in your minds.
So above us, in other dimensions, there is no division between light and dark?
Let's talk about illusions. What is an illusion?
Something that does not exist in reality.
And what is reality?
That which… really exists.
See, you’re confused. What you perceive, is it reality or illusion?
And what is an illusion?
This is a reflection. When you look in the mirror, you're certain that you are real, and what you see in the mirror is an illusion. But the mirror also reflects what is around you. So, is what surrounds you, and what is reflected in the mirror with you, an illusion? And what is reality?
You see and feel the world around you—is that reality? When you dream, is what you see in your dream reality or an illusion? Don’t rush to answer. Much will still need to be reconsidered.
Look. Once, people believed that the Earth was flat and stood on three whales. You won't believe it, but that’s how it was.
So, is reality what I believe in? How does reality differ from illusion? Illusion is a phantom, a hologram, a projection.
A projection of what? If it's a hologram, on what basis is it created? A phantom of what or whom?
So, are you saying that there is no single reality as such?
Correct. If you place an obstacle, say, a plate with slits shaped like trees, in the path of a light beam, you will see projections of trees. A magic lantern. But what if the plate has slits shaped like many other objects? And if this plate is multidimensional, you get the very hologram you speak of.
But who creates these plates? You do. It's your collective creation. By consciously or unconsciously joining the templates of collective creation.
Then one of you, the bravest, began to assert that the Earth is actually round. And after some time, the multidimensional plate of perception readjusts. If there had been telescopes in the times when you believed the Earth was flat and stood on three whales, you would have seen this flat Earth and the whales on which it stands.
So, everything we see, touch, hear, and perceive is only what we believe and know? And is that reality?
What you call "reality" does not exist. Everything is a reflection and refraction of Divine Light, a myriad of images from magic lanterns, and all of this is an illusion. And by comparing reality to illusion, you are simply comparing different illusions. But which illusion is more illusory? And what is the measure of illusoriness?
The degree of distance from the Original Light, the degree of reflection.
Yes, but you see, it's not all linear. And remember, reflection depends on the quality of the refracting lens. Suppose the light is reflected and distorted a million times. Naturally, each reflection adds its own degree of distortion. But then this reflected light hits a lens that is very powerful and very pure. And then, despite the light arriving at this lens in a very distorted form, the purity of the lens allows it, like under a microscope, to isolate these distortions, restore the light's original qualities, and amplify it many times. That's the power of the reflector.
You're talking about Jesus now.
About him and many others.
And then this purified and amplified light also begins to be reflected by other perceivers and travels through the universe. And although it is initially just the Light of God, it is already the altered Light of God. This is what is called Creation.
So, everything is an illusion, and there is no such thing as reality?
This is a matter of terminology. Because everything you reflect is real. But for you, at the moment, what is more real is what you believe in and thus reflect more consistently. But all of these are illusions, or your reflections of Divine Light, or your collective reflections of Divine Light. And in reality, only the Divine Light itself is real.
Let's look at it from another angle. How do you perceive the world around you? Through specific organs of vision. You see with your eyes. Light, refracted in objects outside, hits the lenses of your eyes and is reflected onto internal visual screens. It's all the same.
However, there are beings in your world who do not have eyes or do not see. How do they perceive the world? The same can be said about all other senses and perceptions. That is, the picture of reality perceived by you and, say, by a worm, is different, as you understand. So what, then, is reality? Moreover, there are beings who see and hear in ranges that are inaccessible to you. So which picture of the world is real? Do you understand?
But if everything is an illusion, and everything is a reflection, and any reflection is an illusion, then does that mean I am an illusion, and you are an illusion? Exactly. But whose illusion? It turns out to be God's illusion.
Ultimately, yes. But among God's illusions, there are also your illusions, and your human illusions.
And the illusions of archangels, and ascended masters, and your illusion?
Exactly. Then you understand that the division into light and dark is simply a kind of classifier of illusions, a classifier of the degree of distance from the Original Divine Light. But who created this classifier?
But not just humans, right?
You read in scientific works that the Earth is round, and you believe it. But is it really round?
What is it like, then?
This question doesn't have a single answer; rather, it has millions of answers. It is what you imagine it to be. After all, you don't see it with your own eyes from space, but someone did. And why did that someone, who first saw it through a telescope, see it as round? Because, according to scientific theories, its rotation and centrifugal force made it round. But what is centrifugal force? Which of your scientists can answer this question? Or what is gravity? And what if you didn’t know that such forces exist? And if no one knew? What would the Earth be like then? Do you understand?
But the Earth rotates around its axis and around the Sun, doesn't it?
How do you know this? You were told. And you believed it, just as billions of people did. And so, they adjusted their mechanisms of perception accordingly. But in reality, there is simply the wandering of the reflected Light of God, there is a dance of energies to which you attribute certain shapes and rules of interaction.
Now replace the word "perception" with the word "creation." Your perception is creation, the manifestation, the refraction of Divine Light.
All your scientific research is merely a reflection of truth, and your instruments, which record what these discoveries of thought confirm, only reflect the thought: "What if…?" And if you create the world around you unconsciously, you simply exist, and the light that enters you refracts according to your degree of distortion. But if you create consciously, you focus and direct these reflections.
Does this mean that everything that is conveyed to us through channels about the structure of the world, the universe, the history of our planet, the transition, is just someone’s vision-reflection? And, say, Archangel Michael and Sanat Kumara distort and convey untrue images and information?
What is truth? The degree of closeness to God. How can the degree of closeness to God be determined? Who determines it? The reflections themselves cannot, since they too are in some way distanced from the original God. But do you remember when I spoke of a very strong prism capable of cleansing the distortions introduced by other reflecting objects? Such lenses themselves become Creators and themselves become Gods. Do you understand?
