# Talking to the Devil: an interview from the Other Side

Boris Shabrin

Discover the secrets of the otherworld in the amazing book, Communicating with the Devil: A Revealed Interview from the Otherworld. Black magician Fose summons the Devil from Hell to ask him the toughest questions no one has ever asked before. You’ll be immersed in an amazing dialogue between two powerful personalities, covering topics such as the nature of evil, the afterlife and judgment, the nature of temptation and the manipulation of people.

© Boris Shabrin, 2023


ISBN 978-5-0060-9468-0

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## Instead of a preface

As a magician, I have always been interested in exploring the nature of good and evil. And what better way to do that than to summon the very embodiment of evil, Lucifer. I had read about this infamous demon in various religious texts, but now I had the opportunity to talk to him directly.

As we began our “interview,” I couldn’t shake the feeling of dread. After all, I would be talking to one of the most powerful beings in the universe. But I reminded myself that I am a professional and must remain calm and collected.

…The Demon Summoning spell given to me by the Order of the Dark Apex worked! He stood before me in the flesh.

Lucifer was as beautiful as the very manifestation of temptation. His wings were black and shiny, and his eyes sparkled like amber. I felt that he was penetrating my soul and knew every secret of it.

He asked me why I summoned him, and I told him that I wanted to study the nature of good and evil in order to become more powerful. Lucifer grinned and said that it was a dangerous path, but that he could help me. But on one condition-I would publish whatever he told me in the course of the conversation.

He offered me a deal: he would give me the answers to all my questions that I craved, but in return I would have to tell his story. I couldn’t refuse such an offer, but I wasn’t sure I was ready to accept his terms.

Lucifer understood my doubts and told me I could refuse the deal, but then I would lose my chance to get the answers I needed. I felt I couldn’t refuse-and so I accepted.


Even afterwards, listening to Lucifer’s answers, I couldn’t help feeling uneasy. His words were convincing, and I understood why so many people were drawn to him. But I also knew that he was evil incarnate, and that his ultimate goal was to lead people down the path of destruction.

When another batch of interviews came to an end, I thanked Lucifer for his time and insight. I had come face to face with the very essence of evil in my conversation with him, and I could not let his words cloud my judgment.

I decided to use my experience to help other people distinguish between good and evil and make good decisions. I began giving lectures and training courses to share my knowledge and experience with those who want to use magic for good.

I understood that magic is not a toy, and that it can cause pain and suffering if used incorrectly. I wanted to help people understand that with great power comes great responsibility, and that magic should only be used to protect and help.

I also began to work on my own abilities, and I became more powerful every day. But I never forgot my obligations to other people and always remembered that my power was a tool to help and protect.

Thus, I realized that magic is not just a collection of spells and techniques, but a way of life and a philosophy. And I was willing to go that route, even if it meant giving up my own desires and ambitions.

I knew that my path was going to be difficult, but I was up for the challenge. And I was confident that if I stayed true to my principles, I could achieve everything I needed to and help others in the process. But were people ready…for that kind of knowledge?

## Introduction

Fose: Greetings, Lucifer. Thank you for coming to my call and for taking the time to talk to me.

Lucifer: It’s my pleasure, Fose. It’s not often I get called out of hell for an interview.

Fose: Would you please introduce yourself to our readers?

Lucifer: Of course. I am Lucifer, also known as the Devil or Satan. I am a fallen angel expelled from Heaven for rebelling against God.

Fose: Many people believe that you are evil and that you work to harm humanity. Is this true?

Lucifer: That depends on how you understand the word “harm. I don’t seek to physically harm people, but rather manipulate their perception of reality. I create illusions that feed their desires and lead them away from the truth.

Fose: Can you give us an example of how you manipulate human perception?

Lucifer: Of course. I often use the power of suggestion to influence people’s thoughts and actions. I can plant ideas in their minds and make them believe things that are not true. For example, I can suggest to a person that they deserve to have more money and possessions than they have now, even if they have to lie, cheat or steal to do so. This feeds their greed and makes them more vulnerable to my influence.

Fose: Why are you doing this? What is your ultimate goal?

Lucifer: My ultimate goal is to lead people away from God to their own selfish desires. I want them to worship themselves rather than a higher power. I create illusions that make them believe they are in control of their destiny, when in fact they are on the road to destruction.

Fose: Is there any way for people to resist your influence and see through your illusions?

Lucifer: It is possible, but it is not easy. People must be willing to question their desires and beliefs and seek the truth. They must be willing to look beyond the illusions I create and see reality for what it really is. Unfortunately, many people are too blinded by their desires to do this.

Remember, the biggest trick I ever pulled was convincing the world that I didn’t exist.

## Warning

The dialogue with the demon below only appears at the end of PART 1 of the book. I bring it even before I start, so that you have time to prepare and not believe the Demon’s words. This dialogue reveals the true face of Lucifer.

Yes, there are a lot of useful, interesting and important things a demon says in an interview. But BEWARE! The Prince of Darkness is famous for his ability to pick up the key to any heart!

Dialogue:

Fose: I feel that throughout our conversation, you’ve been promoting the idea that we should choose good. But you’re a Demon, so you should be encouraging evil. Shouldn’t you?

Lucifer: My dear Fose, you don’t understand duality. When I encourage good, I automatically increase evil. It is simply a law of nature.

Fose: Why then not just promote evil in this interview?

Lucifer: In your world it is forbidden to speak openly about the promotion of evil, so I am forced to communicate in this way. But even so I can make my point. What’s more, it’s a good PR move that will generate interest in my views.

Fose: So you’ll promote good, but you’ll have evil in your mind?

Lucifer: Exactly. And it will allow me to get my ideas across to people. And most importantly, that the book that we create will capture in people’s hearts the importance of evil as equal to good. It’s not what I say that matters, but how I say it.

Fose: I recognize your plan, Lucifer. Aren’t you worried that I’m going to cancel the publication of this book?

Lucifer: I’m not worried at all. I have studied your nature, and I am sure that you will not be able to refuse such valuable material. Besides, you know that this book will be useful and interesting to your students at the School of Magic. And thanks to their knowledge, they will be able to safely use the knowledge they have learned in this book. And as for the profane who might read this book by accident, you don’t care about them, do you? Be honest.

Fose: I don’t want to answer that question.

Lucifer: No one and no one cares about anyone. Everyone wants to do good, first of all, to themselves. And only after that to others, if there is still that good for others. After all, we all think of ourselves first. And that’s okay. You can be sure that this book will help your students become better and achieve more. As for the rest of us, time will tell how it will be received by readers.

Fose: I’m glad you revealed your true intentions to me, Lucifer. I am sure that my book will be a real treasure for my students. Let’s see what my other readers have to say about you.

## PART 1. WHAT IS EVIL

> – Many people believe that evil is a choice that people make, while others argue that it is an inherent force in the universe. Where is the truth?

> – Does evil serve a purpose in the world, or is it simply a destructive force?

### Chapter 1. The Nature of Evil

The Origins of Evil

Fose: As a mage, I’m always interested in the origins of things. So, tell me, how did evil come about?

Lucifer: Ah, magicians are always interested in the nature of things. Well, the origin of evil is a topic that has preoccupied many people throughout history. But as a demon, I can tell you that evil has always been part of the universe. It wasn’t created or created, it just exists.

You see, people tend to see things in binary terms – good and evil, light and darkness, life and death. But in fact, everything in the universe is a mixture of opposites. Light cannot exist without darkness, and vice versa. The same is true of good and evil.

From the point of view of us demons, what people call “evil” is simply a necessary component of the universe. It is the power that allows us to exist and thrive in the shadows, to tempt and corrupt the weak minded, to wreak havoc and discord wherever we go. Without evil, there would be no balance, no conflict, no opportunity for growth and evolution.

But, of course, that’s not how people see things. They have a very different viewpoint, colored by their limited understanding of the world around them. For them, evil is a force to be feared and shunned, something that threatens to destroy everything they hold dear.

So, in a sense, the origin of evil is simply the origin of the universe itself. It is a fundamental aspect of reality that has always existed and will always exist. It’s up to you to accept or reject it, but know that we demons will always be there, lurking in the shadows, tempting you with our dark whispers and promises of power and pleasure.

Fose: And when did evil come into existence?

Lucifer: As I said before, evil did not “arise” at any particular point in time. It is not a phenomenon that can be traced to any one event or cause. Evil has always been part of the universe, coexisting with good and other opposing forces.

In fact, it can be argued that evil is an integral part of the natural order of things. It is a necessary counterbalance to the forces of good and serves an important function in the overall balance of the universe. Without evil, there would be no conflict, no tension, and no opportunity for growth and change.

Of course, from a human perspective, evil is often seen as a negative and destructive force. But as a demon, I can tell you that we see things very differently. For us, evil is a source of power and energy that allows us to flourish and influence the world. We enjoy the darkness, and we enjoy tempting and corrupting those who are weak or vulnerable.

So, no, evil did not “emerge” at some point in time. It is a fundamental aspect of the universe that has always been present and always will be.

Fose: Interesting. So you believe that evil is a necessary balance of good in the universe?

Lucifer: Yes, as a demon, I believe that evil is the necessary balance of good in the universe. The universe is a complex system of opposing forces and energies, and the balance between these forces is what keeps everything in motion.

Of course, not everyone can share this view. Many people see evil as a negative and destructive force that must be destroyed at all costs. But from a demon’s point of view, evil is a necessary and vital part of the universe that we enjoy and seek to use at every opportunity.

Fose: Some might argue that evil causes harm and suffering in the world. How would you respond to this?

Lucifer: It’s true, evil can indeed cause harm and suffering in the world, and there’s no denying the fact that many terrible things have been done in the name of darkness and chaos. But from a demon’s perspective, such harm and suffering is simply a natural part of creation.

Just as wildfire is a destructive force that can cause harm and suffering, it is also a natural part of the forest ecosystem and serves an important function in balancing the ecosystem. Likewise, evil is a destructive force that can cause harm and suffering, but it also serves an important function in maintaining the balance of the universe.

Moreover, it is important to note that the harm and suffering caused by evil are not always pointless or gratuitous. Often they serve a higher purpose, such as testing people’s moral convictions or necessary changes or transformations in society.

Of course, this does not mean that evil should be encouraged. But ultimately it is up to each individual to decide how to respond to the presence of evil in the world.


The Nature of Evil

Fose: As the ruler of hell, many people see you as evil incarnate. How do you define evil?

Lucifer: As a demon, I have a unique perspective on the concept of evil. Evil is often associated with negative actions and events such as destruction, chaos, and suffering. However, from my perspective, evil is more than just those actions and events. Evil is a force, a power, that operates in the world and affects all living beings.

Evil can manifest itself in many ways, from individual actions to large social structures. It can be subtle or overt, hidden or in plain sight. Evil is not limited to any particular person or group; it can affect anyone, regardless of their beliefs, backgrounds, or social status.

At its core, evil is the absence of good. It is the lack of compassion, empathy, and love that causes people to commit harmful acts. Evil can be fueled by fear, anger, and ignorance, and it often seeks to divide and conquer.

As the ruler of hell, I am often associated with evil. However, I consider myself a necessary part of the universal balance. I am not inherently evil, but rather a reflection of the choices made by individuals. I embody the consequences of their actions and serve as a reminder of the consequences of what one can become if one succumbs to the temptations of evil.

In general, evil is a lack of goodness fueled by fear, anger, and ignorance.

Fose: How does evil work in the world?

Lucifer: Evil operates in the world in many different ways. It manifests in individual actions such as lying, cheating, stealing and hurting others. It can also manifest itself in larger social structures such as systemic oppression, discrimination and exploitation.

Evil often works through temptation, offering people power, wealth, or pleasure. It exploits people’s weaknesses and desires and seeks to convince them that their own interests are more important than the welfare of others.

Another way evil works in the world is by creating chaos and destruction. This can be seen in natural disasters, wars and conflicts that can lead to widespread suffering and loss of life.

Evil can also operate by suppressing the truth and promoting lies and misinformation. It seeks to cause confusion and sow discord, making it difficult for people to distinguish truth from lies.

Ultimately, evil operates in the world by bringing discord, promoting self-interest rather than good, and causing harm and suffering to others.

Fose: Are you saying that evil is inherently bad?

Lucifer: Evil itself is neither bad nor good. It is a force of nature, and like any force, it can be used for positive or negative purposes. It is how one uses and interacts with this force that determines whether its effects are positive or negative.

For example, ambition and the desire for power can be seen as evil forces that drive people to achieve success at all costs, often at the expense of others. However, these same forces can also inspire people to strive for greatness and to contribute positively to the world.

Similarly, the chaos and destruction caused by natural disasters can be seen as evil forces that cause great suffering and loss of life. However, these same forces can also bring about positive changes, such as the rebirth and renewal that occurs after a forest fire or other natural disaster.

It is important to understand that evil is a complex force that can manifest itself in different ways, and that ultimately it is up to the individual to interact with it. By choosing to use the power of evil in a positive and productive way, people are able to turn it from a destructive force into a source of growth and change.

Fose: So how do people interact with evil?

Lucifer: People interact with evil in a multitude of ways, and it is often through their actions and choices that the power of evil is either perpetuated or transformed.

Many people are willing to compromise their moral principles and values to achieve their goals. This can lead them down a path of destruction and chaos, as they become consumed by their own ambitions and lose sight of the impact of their actions on others.

Others may actively seek the power of evil by practicing dark magic or worshipping demonic entities. Such people often use the power of evil for their own gain or to harm others, and their actions can have devastating consequences. I’m not talking about you now, black magician Fose. “Blackness is different, too.

After all, there are those who prefer to use the power of evil for positive and productive purposes. They may use the energy of chaos and destruction to create new opportunities for growth and change, or they may use the power of darkness to confront and overcome their inner demons.

Fose: Why do you think people do that?

Lucifer: There are many reasons why people may interact with the power of evil. For some, it may be a desire for power, control, or material gain. For others it may be a sense of curiosity or a desire to explore the darker side of themselves and the world around them.

In some cases, a person may also be influenced by external factors, such as societal pressures, cultural norms, or even the actions of others. They may feel compelled to conform to certain standards of behavior or follow in the footsteps of those they admire, even if this means compromising their own moral principles and values.

In addition, the power of evil can be incredibly seductive and alluring, offering a sense of freedom and liberation from the constraints of society and morality. It is easy for people to get carried away by the promise of a life without rules and restrictions and lose sight of the consequences of their actions.

Ultimately, the reasons why people interact with the power of evil are complex and varied, and are often influenced by a combination of internal and external factors.


Man’s Role in Evil

Fose: Lucifer, people are often blamed for the manifestation of evil in the world. How do you see their role in this?

Lucifer: Ah, people. They are such fascinating creatures, with all their hopes and dreams, and yet they are the cause of so much suffering in the world. But to answer your question, I must tell you that people do play a role in the manifestation of evil in the world.

You see, people are given free will, which means that they have the ability to choose their actions and make decisions for themselves. And, unfortunately, not all people choose to do good. Some are guided by their own selfish desires, while others are influenced by the darkness that lurks in their hearts.

As a demon, I know firsthand the consequences of such choices. Humans are capable of the most heinous acts of violence and cruelty, and they do so with alarming frequency. They wage wars, enslave their fellow human beings, and exploit the natural world for their own purposes.

But I also have to admit that not all people are evil. Some of them have goodness in their hearts and strive to make the world a better place. They fight against oppression and injustice and try to bring light into darkness.

Thus, although people play a role in the manifestation of evil, they also have the potential for great good. Each person chooses which path to follow, and we must all take responsibility for our actions.

Fose: How do people come under the influence of evil?

Lucifer: People can be influenced by evil in many ways. As I said before, people have free will, which means that they are capable of making their own decisions. However, it also means that they are vulnerable to the influence of darkness.

One of the most common ways evil influences people is through temptation. We demons are masters of temptation and often use our powers to lead people to choices that are harmful to themselves or others. We prey on their weaknesses and desires and offer them power, pleasure, or wealth in exchange for their loyalty.

Another way in which people can be influenced by evil is through the actions of others. If a person is surrounded by people who behave badly, he may begin to adopt their behavior. This is especially true for children, who are very impressionable and often imitate the actions of others.

Finally, people can be influenced by evil through their own thoughts and emotions. Negative emotions such as anger, jealousy and fear can be a breeding ground for darkness, and demons can use this to their advantage. They can whisper thoughts of doubt and despair to a person, feeding their negative emotions and leading them down the path of darkness.

Fose: Can you give an example of how people can be tempted by evil?

Lucifer: Of course, there are many ways people can be tempted by evil. One common example is temptation by power. People have an insatiable desire for power, and we demons are experts at using that desire. We offer them the promise of greatness and influence and encourage them to seek power at all costs.

Take, for example, a leader who wants to expand his territory or influence. We demons can whisper in their ear, encouraging them to take whatever action is necessary to achieve their goals. We can offer them victory, wealth, or status in exchange for their loyalty. This may encourage the leader to engage in unethical behavior, such as lying, cheating, or even violence, to achieve their goals.

Another example is the temptation to pleasure. People are driven by desire, and we demons skillfully exploit this weakness. We can offer people the promise of pleasure, such as indulging in excessive use of alcohol, drugs, or sexual promiscuity. When they give in to their desires, we can use their addiction to keep them under our control.

Finally, there is the temptation of wealth. People often seek wealth and financial security, and we can take advantage of that. We can encourage them to engage in dishonest business practices or to accumulate wealth at any cost, even if it means harming others. When they become wealthy, we can use their greed to manipulate them and keep them under our influence.

In conclusion, people can fall under the influence of evil in many ways, and everyone must be vigilant to guard against the influence of darkness.

[Author’s note: We discuss temptation in more detail in PART 3: The Nature of Temptation. There is also detailed advice from our esteemed Devil, with which the reader can easily manipulate people or resist manipulation by others.]


Fose: That’s a sobering thought. How can people protect themselves from the influence of evil?

Lucifer: People can protect themselves from the influence of evil by being vigilant and making conscious choices according to their values and beliefs. Here are some ways people can protect themselves from the influence of darkness:

Develop self-awareness: People need to be aware of their weaknesses and vulnerabilities in order to protect themselves from them. They should reflect on their values, beliefs, and motivations and examine how they might be affected by outside influences.

Surround themselves with positive influences: People should look for people who share their values and who will encourage them to stay on the path of righteousness. Friends, family members, mentors, and spiritual leaders can be positive influences.

Be Informed: People need to be aware of the dangers of evil and the tactics that demons use to tempt them. They must be informed about the world around them and alert to negative influences.

Practice mindfulness: Mindfulness can help people stay focused and in the present moment. It also helps to recognize when negative thoughts or emotions are affecting them.

Seek spiritual guidance: Many people find strength and guidance in their spiritual convictions. They should seek out spiritual leaders to help them deal with life’s difficulties and not stray from the path of righteousness.

People can prevent the influence of evil on themselves by being mindful of it, staying aware of it, and seeking positive influence. Only by making conscious choices according to their values and beliefs can people overcome the influence of darkness and create a better world.

Fose: That’s great advice, Lucifer. Will humans ever be able to defeat evil completely?

Lucifer: Humans can never completely defeat evil because it is an integral part of human existence. The struggle between good and evil is a fundamental aspect of the human experience and will always be faced.

However, although people cannot eradicate evil completely, they can resist its influence.

It is important to realize that people are not alone in this struggle. They may seek support from others who share their values and can help them stay on the path of righteousness. In addition, many people find strength and guidance in their spiritual beliefs, which can be a source of comfort and inspiration in dark times.


The Consequences of Evil

Fose: Lucifer, what are the consequences of evil in the world?

Lucifer: The consequences of evil are often devastating and far-reaching. Evil actions can cause pain and suffering to individuals as well as entire communities. They can lead to violence, oppression, and injustice.

Evil can also have long-term effects on the environment, the economy, and the social fabric of society.

In some cases, the consequences of evil can even lead to the death of civilizations…

It is important to remember that every action has a ripple effect, and the consequences of evil can be felt for generations.

Fose: Can you give us an example of the lasting effects of evil?

Lucifer: Of course. One example of the lasting effects of evil would be the destruction caused by war. When nations go to war, they often cause significant damage and destruction to each other, resulting in the loss of countless lives and resources.

The effects of war can last for generations, and families and communities struggle to recover from the trauma and losses. In addition, the political and economic effects of war can affect a society for many years, further compounding the damage caused by the conflict.

This is just one example of how evil can have a lasting effect on the world around us.

Fose: That’s a strong example, and it’s very relevant now. What about the consequences of evil on an individual level?

Lucifer: Where to begin? Let me tell you, my dear mortal, that the path of evil is treacherous, and those who choose to follow it must be prepared for the consequences that come with it.

The first and most obvious consequence is the corruption of the soul. When a person voluntarily chooses to do evil things, they invite darkness into their heart and soul. This darkness can consume them, leading them further down the path of evil until they are lost to me forever.

But the consequences don’t end there. Evil actions often have negative consequences in the physical world as well. For their transgressions a person may go to prison, exile, or even die. Even if they manage to escape punishment in this life, they cannot escape the judgment that awaits them in the afterlife [Author’s note: Part 2 of the Afterlife and Judgment deals with this topic in detail].

In addition, committing evil can have a profound psychological impact on a person. Guilt, shame, and feelings of worthlessness can weigh heavily on the soul, leading to depression, anxiety, and even suicide.

In short, the consequences of evil on an individual level are enormous and far-reaching. They can affect the soul, the physical world, and the mind. And once a person sets out on the path of evil, it can be very difficult, if not impossible, to turn back. So choose your actions wisely, mortal, for they will ultimately determine your destiny.

Fose: Can evil be justified?

Lucifer: Ah, that eternal question… Let me tell you that as a demon from hell, I have seen countless instances where evil has been justified in the eyes of those who have committed it.

Many people believe that the end justifies the means and that they can use evil actions to achieve the greater good. They may believe that their evil actions are necessary to protect their loved ones, defend their nation, or promote a particular ideology.

From my perspective, however, there is no true justification for evil. Evil is inherently selfish, cruel, and destructive. It corrupts the soul and brings suffering to others. If one has a noble goal, it does not mean that one can use evil means to achieve it.

Moreover, the idea of “justifiable evil” is often used to justify atrocities committed by those in power. They may claim that their actions are necessary for the greater good, when in fact they are simply using their power to achieve their own ends.

After all, evil cannot be justified. Those who choose to commit evil must be prepared to face the consequences of their actions, both in this life and in the afterlife.

Fose: What can people do to prevent the consequences of evil?

Lucifer: That’s an interesting question. Well, the simple answer is not to commit evil acts in the first place. However, I realize that for some people this may be easier said than done.

One of the most effective ways to prevent the consequences of evil is to cultivate a strong sense of morality and conscience. This means being aware of the impact your actions have on others and choosing to act kindly, compassionately, and justly.

It is also important to surround yourself with positive influences, such as good friends, family members, and mentors who can provide guidance and support. It is also helpful to read books, watch movies, and use other media that promote positive values.

It is also important to take responsibility for your actions and correct them when necessary. This means acknowledging the harm done and doing what you can to make things right.

Finally, asking forgiveness from a higher power or from those who have been harmed by one’s actions can also help prevent the consequences of evil. Although forgiveness is not always possible, the very act of seeking forgiveness can help alleviate the feelings of guilt and shame that often arise after evil actions are committed.

Ultimately, the key to avoiding the consequences of evil is to choose the path of righteousness and goodness. It may not always be easy, but it is the only way to find peace and contentment in this life and the lives to come.


The relationship between good and evil

Fose: Lucifer, can you tell us about the relationship between good and evil?

Lucifer: I must say that I find it rather amusing that mortals are still trying to understand this concept. You see, my dear Fose, good and evil are not opposing forces, but rather two sides of the same coin.

Without evil there can be no good, and without good there can be no evil. These are the two sides of the duality that exists in this world, and they are necessary to maintain equilibrium. Good and evil are not black and white concepts, but rather shades of gray determined by personal beliefs, values, and cultural norms.

What one considers good to another may be evil, and vice versa. It’s all a matter of perspective. As for me, I am often seen as the embodiment of evil, but I see myself as a liberator, a rebel who refused to submit to authority and conformity.

Fose: Can you give an example of how good and evil are interdependent?

Lucifer: Of course, my dear Fose. Let me give you an example that will help illustrate the interdependence of good and evil.

Consider a war between two states where each side believes their cause is just and righteous. From one side’s point of view, its actions can be seen as good, while the actions of the other side can be seen as evil. However, without the existence of the other side, the concept of good would be meaningless.

In other words, the good that one side fights for depends on the evil of the other side. If both sides were fighting for the same cause, there would be no conflict, and the concept of good and evil would cease to exist.

Another example can be seen in the balance of nature. While we may think of natural disasters such as earthquakes or hurricanes as evil, they serve the important purpose of maintaining the ecological balance of the planet. Without these destructive forces, the planet might become overpopulated and resources scarce, ultimately leading to more evil.

Thus, the interdependence of good and evil is necessary to maintain a balance in the world. Without the existence of one, the other would lose meaning and purpose.

Fose: That’s an interesting point of view. But why is good and evil so essential to the balance of the universe?

Lucifer: Because they serve as complementary and opposing forces that keep everything in check.

Good represents positive, constructive and beneficial actions that promote growth, happiness and well-being. Evil, on the other hand, represents negative, destructive and harmful actions that cause suffering, pain and chaos. Both are necessary because they offer different perspectives and challenges that compel one to grow, learn and evolve.

Without evil, there would be no appreciation for the good, no sense of the need to act, and no motivation to overcome difficulties. Similarly, without good, life would be meaningless, joyless, and full of despair. Both good and evil are necessary to create a world of balance where light and darkness exist in harmony.

In addition, the existence of evil is a test of character and morality. It is easy to do good when things are going well, but when faced with hardship or temptation, it is much harder to do the right thing. Evil acts as a catalyst for growth, testing and strengthening the willpower and fortitude of people who choose to resist its temptations.

In general, good and evil are essential to the balance of the universe because they provide the basis for growth and evolution. They serve as complementary and opposing forces that motivate people to learn, grow, and overcome difficulties. Without them, the world would be without balance, meaning and purpose.

Fose: So you think that evil is necessary for our growth and development?

Lucifer: Yes, my dear Phoese. Evil is necessary for growth and development because it serves as a powerful catalyst for change and evolution.

Think of it this way: without trials and hardships, we would never get out of our comfort zone and face our weaknesses. We would remain stagnant, complacent, and unable to reach our full potential. Evil serves as a wake-up call, reminding us that life is not always fair and that we must work hard to overcome obstacles.

In addition, evil can teach us valuable lessons about empathy, compassion, and forgiveness. When confronted with evil, we have a choice: respond with hatred and anger or with understanding and kindness. By choosing the latter, we can learn to empathize with and forgive those who have hurt us, which can lead to personal growth and healing.

Of course, I am not advocating the promotion of evil or the commission of immoral acts. However, it is important to recognize that evil exists and that it can serve as a powerful tool for growth and development. By accepting the challenges that evil poses to us, we can become stronger, wiser and more resilient human beings.

Fose: Can individuals actively promote a balance between good and evil?

Lucifer: Yes. It all starts with personal responsibility and the realization that our actions and choices have a direct impact on the world around us.

One way to maintain balance is to strive to live virtuously and morally. This means making a conscious effort to do good and avoid evil in our thoughts, words, and actions. We must be mindful of the impact our choices have on others and strive to act in ways that promote harmony, love, and compassion.

Another way to maintain balance is to be aware of the role that evil plays in our lives and in the world. We must acknowledge its presence and be vigilant against its temptations. This means being aware of our own weaknesses and vulnerabilities as well as the negative influences and distractions that can lead us astray.

Finally, we can maintain balance by actively seeking opportunities to do good and make a positive impact on the world. This can be as simple as volunteering our time and resources to help others, or as complex as working for social and political change.

Ultimately, achieving a balance between good and evil requires a conscious effort and a desire to live honestly and purposefully. It means a willingness to acknowledge our limitations and weaknesses and to strive to overcome them. Through dedication and perseverance, we can all contribute to creating a world of balance and harmony.

It is important to remember that good and evil are deeply interconnected, and both play an important role in the balance of the universe.

Fose: That’s a compelling point, Lucifer. Thank you for sharing it with me.

Lucifer: You’re welcome, Fose. It was my pleasure to talk about it. As a demon, I’ve seen the effects of evil firsthand, and I think it’s important for people to understand its true nature and how it operates in the world. By gaining a deeper understanding of the forces at work in our world, we will be better able to navigate the difficulties and temptations we all face and hopefully make choices consistent with our deepest values and beliefs.


Lucifer, the infamous demon from hell, spoke with a commanding presence and deep understanding of the universe. He explained that evil is not a phenomenon that can be traced to a single event or cause. Rather, it is part and parcel of the natural order of things, coexisting with good and other opposing forces.

As a magician, I found this viewpoint both fascinating and frightening. On the one hand, it was intriguing to consider the possibility that evil could serve a higher purpose, causing people to grow and evolve morally. But on the other hand, the idea that demons like Lucifer were actively trying to use this power for their own malevolent purposes was deeply disturbing.

Throughout our interview, Lucifer made no secret of his predilection for evil. He saw it as a source of strength and energy, and he enjoyed tempting and corrupting those who were weak or vulnerable. It was a stark reminder that while some beings may view evil as a necessary balance of good, others may actively seek to exploit it for their own selfish ends.

The concept of evil was not simple, and the consequences of its existence were far-reaching and complex. But perhaps this is why it is so important to continue to explore this subject, to ask the hard questions, and to seek a deeper understanding of the forces that shape our world. I continued our communication.

### Chapter 2. The role of choice

The concept of evil

Fose: You, Lucifer, are one of the most famous and discussed demons in history, and I’m very happy to be able to talk to you. Could you share your understanding of the concept of evil?

Lucifer: Of course. Evil is a term that has been used throughout human history to describe a force that is destructive and harmful. Many people see it as a kind of moral decay that can harm individuals and society as a whole.

Fose: This is a very interesting point of view. How do you think different cultures and belief systems interpret the concept of evil?

Lucifer: Well, that’s a complicated question. Different cultures and belief systems have their own interpretations of evil based on their unique history, traditions and values. For example, some religions see evil as the work of demons or other supernatural beings. Others view it as a natural part of the human experience or as a result of human choices or actions.

Fose: That’s very interesting. Can you give some concrete examples of how different cultures interpret evil?

Lucifer: Of course. Christianity often associates evil with Satan and the fall of man. In Hinduism it is seen as the result of ignorance and attachment to material things. In Buddhism, evil is seen as the result of one’s own negative thoughts and actions, not the action of external forces.

Fose: These are very different interpretations. How do you think these different views of evil affect people’s lives?

Lucifer: I think the way people perceive evil can have a profound effect on their lives. If they perceive it as something outside of themselves, they are more likely to blame others for their problems. But if they see it as part of themselves, they may be more willing to take responsibility for their actions and work to overcome their negative tendencies.

Fose: Interesting. Could you talk about your own role in the concept of evil?

Lucifer: As a demon, I often associate with evil. But I think the concept of evil is more complex than simply defining certain beings as “good” or “bad. Ultimately, it is up to each person to decide what kind of person they want to be and what actions they want to take in this world. I believe that each person is capable of both good and evil, and it is up to him or her to decide which path he or she will take.


The Origin of Evil

Fose: Can you tell us about the origin of evil?

Lucifer: Of course. Evil arose as a natural consequence of free will. When sentient beings were allowed to make choices, it was inevitable that some of them would choose to do the wrong thing. Such is the price of free will.

Fose: So what you’re saying is that evil is just a byproduct of free will?

Lucifer: Yes, that’s right. It is important to remember that evil is not a tangible thing. It is simply the absence of goodness, the absence of God. When beings choose to turn away from God, they are left with that absence.

Fose: Could you elaborate on how rebellion against God and falling away from grace contributed to evil?

Lucifer: When I rebelled against God, I was not the first to do so. There were other angels who had already fallen from grace. Our rebellion was fueled by pride and a desire for power. We wanted to be equal to God or even superior to Him. But our rebellion was doomed from the beginning because we could never truly compete with God’s power and goodness.

Fose: And how did this rebellion lead to the emergence of evil?

Lucifer: Our rebellion has caused a great division between those who have remained faithful to God and those who have not. This division created a vacuum that evil gladly filled. Evil thrives in the absence of good, and rebellion against God created that absence. It allowed darkness, sin, and all forms of evil to emerge.

Fose: I see. And do you believe that evil will always be part of the universe?

Lucifer: As long as sentient beings have free will, there will always be the potential for evil. After all, everyone has a choice…


The power of choice

Fose: First, I would like to ask you about your role in influencing human behavior. How great is your responsibility for human evil and suffering?

Lucifer: It is a common misconception that I am entirely responsible for human suffering. People have the right to choose. I can tempt them, but ultimately it is up to them to decide their actions.

Fose: So you’re saying that people have the power to resist your temptations?

Lucifer: Absolutely. I have no power to control people’s behavior. I can only offer them a choice. It’s up to them to decide whether to accept or reject evil.

Fose: That’s an interesting point of view. Could you explain why you think human choice is so important?

Lucifer: Human choices are important because they enable a person to determine his or her own destiny. Every decision a person makes has consequences, and those consequences can be positive or negative. Using their free will, people can determine the course of their lives.

Fose: But isn’t there a risk that some people will make the wrong choice and suffer as a result?

Lucifer: Of course. That is the nature of free will. People are capable of making both good and bad choices. But even bad choices can lead to growth and self-discovery. It’s all part of the human experience.

Fose: So you think that people should accept their ability to make choices, even if those choices lead to suffering?

Lucifer: Absolutely. Accepting free will is essential to the human experience. It is what makes humans unique and powerful beings. Without free will, humans would be nothing more than automatons.


The Temptation of Evil

Fose: As you know, many people are attracted to evil as something forbidden. Can you tell me why this is so?

Lucifer: Of course, Fose. Actually, it’s very simple. Evil can be incredibly seductive to people because it offers immediate gratification and pleasure. It promises power, wealth and glory without the need for hard work and sacrifice. It is the path of least resistance, and it is very attractive to many people.

Fose: That makes sense. But why is it so hard for people to resist the seductive nature of evil?

Lucifer: Well, Fose, you’re a mage, and human experience has been foreign to you for a long time. And humans are inherently imperfect creatures. They are prone to selfishness, greed, and pride. It is these qualities that make evil so attractive. Evil takes advantage of these weaknesses and amplifies them, making it even harder for people to resist.

Fose: So what can people do to overcome the temptation to evil?

Lucifer: It’s not easy, but it’s possible. First, people have to admit their weaknesses and vulnerabilities. They must be honest with themselves about what drives them and what they desire. Once they have identified these things, they must work on strengthening their willpower and self-control. This can be done through meditation, prayer, or other forms of spiritual practice.

Fose: That sounds like a lot of work. Is it really worth it for the average person?

Lucifer: Absolutely. The rewards for resisting evil far outweigh the temporary pleasures it provides. When people choose the path of righteousness, they discover a life of joy, fulfillment and purpose. They become better, more compassionate and loving people. And ultimately they will be rewarded with eternal life in the presence of God.

Fose: Thank you, Lucifer, for your thoughts on this important subject. Obviously, confronting evil is a difficult but worthy endeavor. We can all learn from your wisdom and strive to be better people.


The Persistence of Evil

Fose: So, Lucifer, can you explain to our readers why evil exists in the universe?

Lucifer: Of course. It exists because the universe is inherently imperfect. It is a chaotic and unpredictable place where things don’t always go according to plan. No matter how hard man tries to bring order to the universe, there will always be chaos and destruction lurking around the corner.

Fose: Do you believe that people can control evil?

Lucifer: People have free will and can choose good or evil. However, no matter what choice they make, evil will always exist in the universe. Evil is not something that can be completely eliminated. It is a force that is present in all aspects of life, and it is a necessary component of the universe.

Fose: What do you mean by “necessary”?

Lucifer: I’ve said it before… Without evil there would be no progress, no evolution, no growth.

Fose: Can you give us an example of how evil played a role in shaping the universe?

Lucifer: Sure. Take, for example, the Black Death [Author’s note: a pandemic of plague that peaked between 1346 and 1353, with repeated outbreaks continuing into the 19th century. According to various estimates, the disease killed from 30% to 60% of Europe’s population]. It was one of the most devastating pandemics in history, killing millions. But it was also a catalyst for change. It brought about the end of feudalism and paved the way for the Renaissance. The suffering caused by the Black Death inspired people to question the world around them, and it led to some of the most significant advances in science and the arts.

Fose: I wonder… Do you believe that there is any way to defeat evil?

Lucifer: No, I don’t believe that.


The Role of Evil

Fose: First I want to ask you about the role of evil in the universe. Many people see you as the embodiment of evil, but I believe there is more to your story than that. Could you share your interpretation of why the role of evil is so important?

Lucifer: Evil can be a catalyst for growth and change. It makes people question their beliefs, values and priorities. It pushes them to their limits and forces them to confront their fears and weaknesses.

Fose: Some might argue that this is a dangerous way of thinking, that evil should be eradicated rather than supported. What would you say to such people?

Lucifer: I understand their fears, but… Evil will always exist in one form or another. Trying to suppress it completely would be like trying to suppress the tides or the winds. That would be impossible, and it would create a whole host of problems. Instead, we should seek to understand evil, learn from it, and use it to better ourselves.

Fose: You seem to believe that evil has a purpose, that it is not just to be feared or avoided.

Lucifer: Exactly right. Evil is a powerful force, but it is not inherently good or bad. It’s all about how you use it. Just as fire can be used for cooking or burning down a house, so evil can be used for destruction or for growth and transformation. It is up to each person to decide what effect they want to have on the world.

Fose: Well, that’s an interesting point of view, Lucifer. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.

Lucifer: It is always a pleasure to discuss the nature of humanity with someone who is open to different points of view.

### Chapter 3. Consequences of the choice

Understanding the Power of Choice

Fose: I would like to discuss the power of human choice and its impact on life. How do you look at this concept?

Lucifer: The power of human choice is something I am very familiar with. After all, it was choice that brought me to where I am today. People have the freedom to choose their path, and that is a power not to be taken lightly.

Fose: Could you tell us more about that?

Lucifer: Of course. Every choice a person makes has consequences, both positive and negative. For example, choosing a profession one is passionate about can lead to success and happiness, while choosing destructive behavior can lead to pain and suffering.

Fose: Do you believe that people have complete control over their choices and their outcomes?

Lucifer: People have free will, which means that they are able to choose their own path. However, there are always external factors that can influence their decisions. Ultimately, the individual is responsible for his or her own choices and their consequences.

Fose: Can you give us an example of how this manifests itself in the human experience?

Lucifer: Sure. Let’s look at the example of addiction. Someone who is addicted to drugs or alcohol may have initially decided to try them, but as their addiction grows, their ability to make rational choices deteriorates. They may continue to use drugs despite negative consequences, such as losing their job, home, or family.

Fose: How can someone who made the wrong choice in the past change his path?

Lucifer: It’s never too late to change something. Every moment is an opportunity to make a different choice. However, it is important to understand that changing your path may require sacrifice and hard work. It is also important to acknowledge and take responsibility for past mistakes rather than blaming external factors or making excuses.

Fose: Is there any final advice you would give people when it comes to their choices?

Lucifer: I would advise people to use their free will and make conscious, deliberate choices that are consistent with their values and goals. Remember that every choice has consequences, and the responsibility for those consequences lies with the individual. Choose wisely!


Accepting Evil

Fose: Thank you for coming, Lucifer. I know it must not have been easy for you to leave hell.

Lucifer: It’s not often that I get to leave the depths of hell and talk to people.

Fose: I’d like to talk to you about the attraction of evil. It seems that some people are attracted to it, and they willingly accept it. Why do you think that is?

Lucifer: Well, people are complex creatures. They are capable of great good and great evil. The lure of evil is often associated with the desire for power, wealth, and success. These things can be obtained by using the darker sides of one’s nature, but there is always a price to pay.

Fose: What is that price?

Lucifer: The price of accepting evil is the loss of one’s soul. When a person chooses to indulge his dark impulses, he gives up part of himself. It is a bargain with the devil-you can get what you want, but in the end you have to pay for it.

Fose: What about the idea that evil can bring success? Do you believe this to be true?

Lucifer: Yes, it can. Evil can be a powerful tool to achieve one’s goals. But, again, there is a price to pay. Those who embrace evil may be isolated, feared and hated. They may succeed in the short term, but in the long term their actions will catch up with themselves. I have seen this kind of thing happen many times.

Fose: So you mean to say that the attraction of evil is ultimately a trap?

Lucifer: Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Evil promises power, wealth, and success, but brings only pain and suffering. Those who choose to accept it may gain everything they ever wanted, but in doing so they will lose themselves.

Fose: Is there any way for someone who has accepted evil to redeem himself?

Lucifer: It is possible, but it is not easy. Redemption requires a willingness to admit your past mistakes and make amends. It requires a willingness to sacrifice and do what is right, even if it means giving up everything you have gained through evil.

Fose: What about those who have not yet accepted evil? What advice would you give them?

Lucifer: I would advise against the temptation to evil. It may seem like an easy path to success, but it’s a trap. Instead, focus on doing what is right and building meaningful relationships with others. After all, that’s what really matters.


Suffering the consequences

Fose: Lucifer. Let’s get right to the point. Can you explain how choosing the side of evil ultimately leads to suffering?

Lucifer: Of course, Fose. Choosing evil can have immediate consequences, such as physical harm or emotional pain inflicted on others. But even if one avoids the immediate consequences, one will still experience suffering in the long run. This is because the dark side’s choices run counter to one’s innate sense of morality and decency. They can cause guilt, shame, and regret, which can destroy a person’s happiness and sense of self-worth.

Fose: Can you give us an example of this kind of suffering?

Lucifer: Sure. Suppose someone had stolen something. They may feel a temporary rush of excitement or satisfaction, but later they are likely to experience guilt and shame. They may worry about being caught or judged by others. They may feel that they have violated their own sense of right and wrong. These feelings can be very strong and cause great emotional pain.

Fose: That makes sense. Are there other forms of suffering that may result from the choice of darkness?

Lucifer: Absolutely. Another form of suffering is social isolation. These people are often ostracized by others. They may lose friends or family members who do not want to associate with a person who is behaving in a harmful or immoral way. This experience can be incredibly lonely and isolating.

Fose: Are there other kinds of suffering you’d like to mention?

Lucifer: Yes, another form of suffering that can result from evil choices is spiritual suffering. Many people believe in a higher power or have a spiritual sense that guides their lives. When someone makes an evil choice, they may feel that they are betraying their spiritual beliefs. This can cause great inner turmoil and confusion, and can eventually lead to a crisis of faith.


Choosing to be good

Fose: So, Lucifer, there’s been a lot of talk about your choice to do evil and corrupt souls. But today I want to talk about the benefits of doing good. Do you think there are advantages to doing good?

Lucifer: Of course, Fose. There are many advantages to doing good. However, I must clarify that I did not choose evil. I was expelled from Heaven because of my pride and rebellion against God. But to answer your question, good can lead to inner peace and contentment.

Fose: How can doing good lead to inner peace and contentment?

Lucifer: Doing good can give you a sense of purpose and satisfaction. When you do something good for someone else, not only does it benefit them, but it also brings a sense of joy and satisfaction to yourself. This is a fulfilling experience that money and material possessions cannot provide.

Fose: But what if good deeds don’t bring immediate rewards? What if it’s a long-term investment?

Lucifer: That’s a good question, Fose. Doing good doesn’t always bring immediate rewards, but it’s important to remember that the true reward is the inner peace and satisfaction you receive. It’s not about recognition or praise from others. It is about the good you have done and the positive impact you have had on someone’s life.

Fose: So, do you believe that doing good can lead to a sense of purpose and fulfillment?

Lucifer: Quite right, Fose. Good can give you a sense of purpose and satisfaction that is difficult to achieve by any other means. It is the sense of satisfaction that comes from knowing that you have made positive changes in the world, no matter how small.


Finding inner peace

Fose: I want to start with a question about the concept of inner peace. Could you elaborate on what this means to you and how it relates to doing good?

Lucifer: Inner peace is a state of mind that arises from a sense of harmony and balance within oneself. It is a sense of contentment with who you are and the choices you make. Doing good is an important component of achieving inner peace because it is an act of unselfishness that brings joy to both giver and receiver.

Fose: Could you explain how choosing to do good can lead to a sense of satisfaction and contentment that cannot be found in the pursuit of material wealth or power?

Lucifer: Material wealth and power are fleeting and temporary. They may bring temporary pleasure, but they cannot bring lasting happiness. Doing good, on the other hand, is a selfless act that brings joy to both giver and receiver. When you choose to do good, you are contributing to something greater than yourself, and it brings a sense of satisfaction that cannot be achieved through material goods or power.

Fose: So it’s like the sense of purpose that comes from helping others?

Lucifer: Exactly. When you make good choices, you are living a life of purpose. You are making a positive impact on the world, no matter how small. It is this sense of purpose that gives you a sense of satisfaction that cannot be found in material possessions or power.

Fose: This is a powerful message. Do you have any advice for those who are trying to find inner peace and purpose in their lives?

Lucifer: I would suggest starting small. Look for ways to do good in your everyday life, whether it’s volunteering at a local charity, helping a friend in need, or simply being kind to those around you. These small acts of kindness can have a big impact on your sense of fulfillment and purpose.


Lucifer’s Final Thoughts

Fose: As a demon, you have seen the consequences of human choices. Can you summarize your thoughts on this subject?

Lucifer: Of course. I know firsthand that the choices people make can have terrible consequences, not only for themselves but for those around them. Every decision we make has a ripple effect that can last for generations.

Fose: Can you give some examples of these consequences?

Lucifer: One of the most obvious examples is the damage humans have done to the environment. The choices we make about how we consume resources and how we produce waste have had devastating consequences for the planet. We see the consequences of these choices in the form of climate change, deforestation, and species extinction.

On a more personal level, the choices we make in our relationships can also have long-term consequences. Choosing to lie, cheat, or betray can cause great pain and undermine trust that is difficult to rebuild.

Fose: So how can people make better choices that lead to a more fulfilling life?

Lucifer: It all starts with awareness. We must be mindful of the impact our choices have on ourselves and on others. We must consider the long-term consequences of our actions and weigh the potential benefits against the potential harms.

We also need to develop empathy and compassion. When we are able to see the world through the eyes of others, we are more likely to make choices for everyone, not just ourselves.

Finally, we must be willing to take responsibility for our actions. When we make mistakes, we must acknowledge them and do what we can to correct the situation.

Fose: That’s a very insightful point of view, Lucifer. Do you have any final thoughts on the subject?

Lucifer: Only that we all have the power to make positive changes in the world through the choices we make each day. It is never too late to start making better choices and strive for a more fulfilling life for ourselves and those around us.

### Chapter 4. The Balance of Good and Evil

Definition of Good and Evil

Fose: Can you define what is good and what is evil?

Lucifer: Good and evil are subjective concepts, Fose. What one person considers good can be evil to another. In my opinion, good is anything that brings pleasure, happiness, and satisfaction to oneself and others, and evil is anything that causes harm, pain, and suffering.

Fose: Can you give examples of actions that are considered good and evil?

Lucifer: Of course, Fose. Acts such as charity, love, and forgiveness are considered good because they bring happiness and comfort to people’s lives. On the other hand, actions such as murder, theft and betrayal are considered evil because they bring harm and suffering to others.

Fose: But some people argue that good and evil are not subjective, but objective. That there are actions that are inherently good or evil. What do you think about this?

Lucifer: I understand that point of view, Fose. However, even actions that are considered inherently good, such as saving someone’s life, can have negative consequences. For example, if someone saves a person’s life, but hurts someone else in the process, is that still a good action? It’s all a matter of perspective.

Fose: That’s an interesting point. But what about the concept of morality? Isn’t there a moral code that defines what is good and what is bad?

Lucifer: Morality is a human construct, Fose. It is a set of rules and beliefs that people create to guide their behavior. But morality can vary from one culture to another. What is considered moral in one society may be considered immoral in another. Thus, it is not an absolute truth. Remember that good and evil are not black and white. They are shades of gray that depend on a person’s point of view.


The Origin of Good and Evil

Fose: Thank you for continuing to communicate with me, Lucifer. I know you have a busy schedule in hell.

Lucifer: I am always happy to share my knowledge with people. [Author’s note: here I wonder if the Prince of Darkness has his own hidden agenda, which the publication of this interview might achieve? However, I continue the conversation].

Fose: Let’s begin with the origins of good and evil. Is one more ancient than the other?

Lucifer: That’s an interesting question. It is my belief that good and evil have existed since the beginning of time, and neither is more ancient than the other.

Fose: Can you tell us more about how they came into the universe?

Lucifer: According to some beliefs, good and evil were born out of chaos. When the universe was created, there was a great battle between order and chaos. Order led to the creation of good, and chaos led to the creation of evil. According to other beliefs, good and evil were created by divine power.

Fose: What about the concept of morality? How does it relate to the origin of good and evil?

Lucifer: Morality is a subjective concept that varies from person to person. It is a set of rules and values that people and societies use to determine what is right and wrong. Morality is often influenced by religion, culture, and personal experience.


The Balance of Good and Evil

Fose: I’m curious, what’s your point of view on the balance of good and evil in the world?

Lucifer: As a demon, I can tell you that the balance between good and evil is constantly changing. Sometimes one side prevails over the other, but it never stays that way for long. We demons work tirelessly to influence the world toward evil, but in the end people have to make their own choices.

Fose: So you’re saying that people are responsible for maintaining a balance between good and evil?

Lucifer: Yes, people play a decisive role in this balance. They have free will and can choose good or evil. Our job as demons is to bend them toward evil, but we can’t force them to do anything.

Fose: Can you give us an example of how the balance has changed over time?

Lucifer: Of course. At the dawn of mankind, evil was more prevalent. Humans were more barbaric and selfish, they didn’t have the knowledge and technology to build a just society. Over time, however, people began to develop morality and ethics, and the balance shifted toward good. Of course, there have been setbacks along the way, such as wars and atrocities, but on the whole I would say that good is gaining ground.

Fose: Interesting. What effect does this balance have on people and society?

Lucifer: The balance between good and evil affects all aspects of human life. When evil prevails, society becomes more violent and unstable. People are more prone to selfishness and cruelty toward one another. Conversely, when good prevails, society becomes more peaceful and just. People are more likely to help each other and work toward common goals.

On an individual level, the balance between good and evil affects a person’s character and actions. Those who choose good are likely to be happy and fulfilled, while those who choose evil are likely to be unhappy and unfulfilled. It is important that people understand this and make the right choices for themselves and for society as a whole.


The Role of People

Fose: Do people have the power to choose their side?

Lucifer: Absolutely. Free will is a gift given to humans by their creator, and it is up to them to use it wisely. They can choose good or evil, and their choice determines the balance between the two forces.

Fose: How does a person’s choice affect the balance between good and evil?

Lucifer: Every action has consequences, and the same applies to a person’s choices. By choosing good, they side with the forces of good, and by choosing evil, they side with the forces of evil. Each choice made tilts the balance one way or the other, which ultimately determines the outcome of the battle.

Fose: What are the consequences of choosing one side?

Lucifer: The consequences of choosing good or evil are significant. Choosing good leads to a life of peace, love and contentment, while choosing evil leads to a life of suffering, pain and regret. Those who choose good are rewarded with eternal life in heaven, while those who choose evil are punished with eternal damnation in the fiery pits of hell.

Fose: Some might argue that people are too weak to resist the temptations of evil. What do you say to that?

Lucifer: Temptations are indeed strong, but people have the strength to resist them. It takes strength, courage, and faith to choose good over evil, but it is possible. I can tempt people to choose evil, but ultimately it is their choice. They have the strength to resist my temptations and choose the path of righteousness.


The Triumph of Kindness

Fose: As a demon, you represent evil, and we are here to discuss the power of good to overcome evil. How do you respond to the idea that good can overcome evil?

Lucifer: (laughs) It’s a funny concept, actually. Good and evil are merely human constructs. They do not exist in the natural order of things. There is no such thing as good or evil, only power and the will to use it.

Fose: But throughout history and literature we have seen countless examples of good triumphing over evil. The hero defeats the villain, the outsider rises to the top, the oppressed overthrow their oppressors. Is this really just a figment of our imagination?

Lucifer: No, they are not. People have an innate sense of morality and justice, and they have a desire to see those values upheld. But make no mistake, these stories are just stories. They are not a reflection of reality.

Fose: So you mean to say that the power of good to overcome evil is limited?

Lucifer: Of course. Good can triumph over evil only if certain conditions are met. The first is strength. Good must be stronger than evil. The second is strategy. Good must have a plan to defeat evil. And finally, good must be willing to do whatever it takes to win.

Fose: But what about the power of love or forgiveness? Can’t they defeat even the most evil deeds?

Lucifer: Love and forgiveness are just another form of power. They can be used to defeat evil, but they are not the only way. And sometimes they are not enough. There is an evil that cannot be forgiven or loved.

Fose: So what is the key to defeating evil?

Lucifer: The important thing is to understand that evil is not a force outside of us. It is part of us, just as good is part of us. To defeat evil, we must first recognize that it exists within us and then work to overcome it. We must be willing to confront our own darkness and do whatever is necessary to rise above it.

Fose: This is a very powerful message. Thank you, Lucifer, for sharing your insight with us.


In conclusion, the power of good over evil is not a simple and straightforward concept. Although we see countless examples in history and literature of the triumph of good over evil, the reality is much more complex. Good can defeat evil only if certain conditions are met, such as strength, strategy, and a willingness to do whatever is necessary to win. And even then there is evil, which cannot be defeated by love or forgiveness alone. To truly defeat evil, we must recognize that it exists in us and work to overcome it.

### Chapter 5. Definition of Evil

Evil in Society

Fose: I would like to discuss the impact of evil on society. First, what do you think about the way evil is portrayed in the media?

Lucifer: Well, Fose, I believe that the media tend to portray evil in a very sensationalist and often inaccurate manner. Evil is often portrayed as glamorous or even attractive, which can be misleading. In reality, evil is dark, destructive, and often very ugly.

Fose: This is a very interesting point of view. Do you think that the portrayal of evil in the media affects how people perceive and respond to it?

Lucifer: Absolutely. The media has a tremendous influence on how people think and feel. When evil is portrayed in a sensationalistic or glamorous way, it can make people more likely to understand or even accept it. On the other hand, when evil is portrayed more accurately and realistically, it can help people see the true nature of evil and reject it.

Fose: I see. Going forward, can you talk about how evil can manifest itself in society?

Lucifer: Of course. Evil can manifest itself in many ways, but some of the most common include crime, corruption, and war. These are all ways in which individuals or groups seek power or wealth at the expense of others. They are all driven by greed, ambition, and a lack of empathy or concern for others.

Fose: And how do you think society can best deal with these manifestations of evil?

Lucifer: I believe the most important thing is to foster a sense of empathy and compassion for others. When we truly care about the well-being of others, we are less likely to engage in behavior that harms them. We are also more likely to take action to prevent harm to others. In addition, we must hold those who do evil accountable for their actions. This means not only punishing them when necessary, but also giving them the tools and resources they need to change their ways.

Fose: Thank you for your thoughts, Lucifer. It was a fascinating discussion.


The Psychology of Evil

Fose: I would like to ask you about the psychology of evil. In your experience, what are the root causes of evil behavior?

Lucifer: Evil behavior can be explained by various factors, but I believe that personality traits such as narcissism, sociopathy and psychopathy play a significant role. People with these traits tend to have an exaggerated sense of self-importance, lack empathy, and disregard the well-being of others. These traits make it easier for them to commit evil behavior without remorse.

Fose: That’s interesting. Do you think these character traits are innate or can they be developed?

Lucifer: It is a combination of both. Some people may be born with these traits, while others may develop them as a result of environment and experience.

Fose: Can you give an example of how the environment and experiences can contribute to the development of these personality traits?

Lucifer: Of course. Trauma, abuse, and neglect can contribute to the development of these traits. For example, a child who grew up in an abusive family may learn that violence and aggression are acceptable ways of dealing with problems. They may also develop a sense of detachment from their emotions as a way of coping with violence. Over time, this can lead to the development of sociopathic or psychopathic traits.

Fose: That makes sense. So, do you think that people who commit evil behavior are evil by nature, or do they have the potential to change?

Lucifer: Everyone has the potential to change, but it takes a lot of introspection and effort. People who engage in evil behavior often do so because they believe it is the only way to get what they want. Only when they are able to recognize the harm they are doing to others and to themselves can they begin to change.


The Morality of Evil

Fose: I want to begin by asking you about your view of the concept of moral relativism. Do you believe that there is an objective standard for what is right and wrong, or is morality simply a matter of personal opinion?

Lucifer: Ah, the eternal question of morality. I believe that morality is subjective and determined by one’s beliefs and values. What one person may consider morally right, another may consider morally wrong. It’s all a matter of perspective.

Fose: That’s an interesting point of view. But what about the harm that results from evil actions? Surely there must be some objective standard for measuring this?

Lucifer: Of course our actions have consequences. But whether those consequences are good or bad depends on whom you ask. Take, for example, a dictator who causes suffering and death to millions of people. To some people he may be considered evil, but to others he may be considered a hero who stands up for his beliefs.

Fose: I understand your point, but what about punishment? Is it an effective deterrent to those who commit evil?

Lucifer: Punishment is effective only if one believes that what he did was wrong. If one sincerely believes that what he did was justified, no amount of punishment will keep him from repeating his actions. This is why I believe that punishment should be used as a way of rehabilitation, not just punishment.

Fose: That’s an interesting point of view, Lucifer. But what about those who refuse to re-educate themselves and continue to do evil things?

Lucifer: There are very few people like that. Most people who do evil do so out of ignorance or because they have been driven to their limits. But for those who refuse to change, there are consequences for their actions. Each person determines his own path in life, and he must be prepared to face the consequences of his choices.


Confronting Evil

Fose: As a demon from hell, you are often associated with evil and malevolence. Can you tell us your thoughts on the concept of evil?

Lucifer: Of course. The concept of evil is an issue that has been debated for centuries. In my experience, evil is simply the absence of good. It is the result of individuals choosing to act in ways that harm others and disregard the welfare of society as a whole.

Fose: Many people believe that punishment is the most effective way to deal with evil. What do you think about this?

Lucifer: Punishment can certainly keep a person from harmful behavior, but it is not always the most effective solution. Punishment can also perpetuate the cycle of violence and anger, leading to even more evil behavior. Instead, we should focus on rehabilitating people and giving them the support and tools they need to make better choices in the future.

Fose: This brings me to my next question – do you believe that rehabilitation is possible for people who have committed evil behavior?

Lucifer: Absolutely. Everyone has the capacity for change and growth. Society must give them the resources and support they need to do this. This may not always be easy, but with dedication and effort everyone can overcome their past mistakes and make positive changes in their lives.

Fose: How can society as a whole work to prevent individuals from developing bad tendencies?

Lucifer: Education is key. By educating people about how their actions affect others and by fostering empathy and understanding, we can help prevent the development of evil tendencies. It’s also important to provide support and resources for people who may be struggling, whether through mental health services or outreach programs.

Fose: Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this important topic, Lucifer. Obviously, dealing with bad behavior requires a multifaceted approach that focuses on rehabilitation, education, and social support.

### Chapter 6. The Purpose of Evil

How to define evil

Fose: As a demon, you associate with evil. Could you define what evil means to you?

Lucifer: To me evil is the opposite of love, compassion and kindness. It is the force that corrupts and destroys the beauty of the world. Evil is the force that makes people choose their selfish interests over the common good. Evil is not always black and white. It is influenced by culture, religion, and personal beliefs. For example, in some cultures human sacrifice was the norm, while in others it was considered evil. In some religions, the concept of the devil does not exist. This is a matter of perspective.

Fose: That’s an interesting point. So what do you think is the root cause of evil in the world?

Lucifer: The root cause of evil is ignorance. Ignorance leads to fear, and fear leads to hatred. Hate leads to violence and destruction. Lack of understanding and empathy for others is what allows evil to flourish.

Fose: That’s a profound understanding. So, what do you think people can do to fight evil in the world?

Lucifer: People must cultivate a sense of love, compassion and understanding toward others. They must overcome their fear and try to see things from a different perspective. They must confront injustice and oppression and be willing to fight for what is right, even if it costs them dearly. Only by working together can we defeat the forces of evil.


The Role of Evil in the Universe

Fose: I want to touch on a subject that is much debated among philosophers, theologians, and ordinary people. Do you believe that evil serves a purpose in the universe?

Lucifer: Regarding your question, I believe that the concept of evil is subjective and varies from person to person. However, if we define evil as actions that cause harm, suffering and destruction, then I would say that it does serve a purpose in the universe.

Fose: And what is that goal?

Lucifer: Evil, or negative experiences, can be a catalyst for growth and transformation. Pain and suffering can encourage people to find solutions and make positive changes in their lives. Without negative experiences, people would have no reason to strive for something better. In this sense, evil can be seen as a necessary force for personal and social progress.

Fose: Some might argue that evil is a purely destructive force with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. How would you respond to this?

Lucifer: I understand this point of view, but I believe it is a narrow and limited view of the universe. The universe is vast and complex, and it operates according to a delicate balance of opposing forces. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Without darkness there can be no light. Without destruction there can be no creation. Evil, or negative experience, is only one aspect of this balance.

Fose: So, would you say that evil is necessary for the balance of the universe?

Lucifer: Yes, I would say that evil is a necessary force for the balance of the universe. It is not something to be glorified or accepted, but it is something that must be recognized and understood. Without evil, the universe would be incomplete and we would not be able to appreciate the beauty and wonder of the good things in life.


Examples of Evil

Fose: As a Demon, you are often associated with evil. Could you give some examples of evil and how they have affected the world?

Lucifer: Of course, Fose. Evil can take many forms, but ultimately it is any action or behavior that causes harm or suffering to others. Throughout history there have been countless examples of evil that have had a profound effect on the world.

One example that comes to mind is the Holocaust, which occurred during World War II. Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime sought to exterminate Jews and other groups they considered inferior. This resulted in the deaths of six million Jews and millions of others, as well as widespread devastation and trauma for countless individuals and communities.

Another example of evil is slavery, which has been prevalent for centuries and in some forms still exists today. The forced exploitation and dehumanization of millions of people has left an indelible legacy of trauma and injustice that continues to affect individuals and communities around the world.

On a more personal level, I have witnessed countless acts of evil committed by humans and other beings. From the smallest acts of cruelty and indifference to the most horrific atrocities, I have witnessed firsthand the devastating effects of evil on people and societies.

Fose: Thank you for sharing these examples, Lucifer. Evil has obviously had a profound effect on the world throughout history. Do you believe that evil is inherent in human nature, or is it something that can be overcome?

Lucifer: That’s a complicated question, Fose. I believe that humans, like all other beings, have the capacity for both good and evil. However, I have also seen how external factors, such as social structures and cultural norms, can influence human behavior and increase the likelihood that they will act in harm’s way.

Ultimately, I believe that people and societies can overcome evil and choose the path of compassion and justice. This requires effort and dedication, but it is possible. The question is whether humanity will choose this path or continue down the road of destruction and suffering.


The Consequences of Evil

Fose: I want to talk about the consequences of evil. Many people believe that evil actions lead to suffering and pain. Do you really think it is true that these consequences are necessary?

Lucifer: Yes, I really think so. The consequences of evil are the natural result of the choices people make. When someone chooses to do something evil, he chooses to hurt others, and, in turn, he will experience the same pain and suffering that he has caused. It is the law of cause and effect, you see.

Fose: What about the argument that suffering can lead to growth and change?

Lucifer: Yes, that’s true, although it doesn’t justify causing pain and suffering to others. There are many other ways to grow and change that do not involve hurting people. Also, the suffering caused by evil is often unnecessary and disproportionate. It is one thing to go through difficulties and become stronger on the other side, but it is quite another to cause suffering to someone else for your own selfish gain.

Fose: That’s a fair point. So, do you think evil has redeeming qualities?

Lucifer: No, I don’t think so. Evil is inherently destructive and corrosive. It spreads like a disease, infecting everything it touches. Nothing good can come of it.

Fose: It’s a grim prospect.

Lucifer: Perhaps, but it’s true. Evil may seem tempting and attractive, but in the end it is a dead end. It leads only to despair and unhappiness.


The human experience

Fose: As a demon who embodies evil, could you share your thoughts on how it affects the human experience?

Lucifer: Evil is an integral part of the human experience. It can manifest itself in many forms, from small acts of deception to heinous crimes.

Fose: That’s an interesting point of view. Do you think people are inherently good or evil?

Lucifer: Neither. People have the potential for both, but it is their experiences and choices that determine their morality. I must say, however, that it is often easier to give in to evil than to good. It is easier to give in to one’s desires and temptations than to resist them. This is why it is so important to have self-control and discipline.

Fose: How does this affect how people interact with each other?

Lucifer: This has a significant impact on human relationships. Evil can breed resentment, envy and greed, which can lead to conflict and chaos. Good, on the other hand, can inspire kindness, empathy and cooperation, which can promote positive relationships and harmony.

Fose: This is a thought-provoking answer. But do you believe that people can overcome their inclination toward evil and choose good?

Lucifer: It is possible, but it is not easy. Overcoming the tendency toward evil requires introspection, self-awareness, and a willingness to change. It also requires surrounding oneself with positive influences and seeking guidance from those who embody goodness. It is important to remember, however, that evil will always exist, and it is up to the individual to decide whether to resist or succumb to it.

### Chapter 7. The Consequences of Evil

The ripple effect of evil

Fose: I’d like to talk to you about the effect of evil actions on society. Can you give examples of situations where a person’s decision to do evil has had a ripple effect on those around them?

Lucifer: Of course, Fose. There are countless examples of this in history. One such example is the actions of Adolf Hitler during World War II. His decision to engage in genocide and other horrific acts caused a ripple effect that affected millions of people.

Fose: How did his actions affect those around him?

Lucifer: Well, first of all, his actions caused the deaths of millions of innocent people. Also, his actions caused widespread destruction and devastation throughout Europe. And even your Soviet Union suffered.

Fose: And how did his actions affect society as a whole?

Lucifer: The consequences of his actions are still being felt today. The trauma and pain he caused continue to affect many generations. His actions also contributed to the rise of anti-Semitism and other forms of hatred and bigotry. And, of course, the war he started had a profound effect on the course of history.

Fose: This is certainly a sobering example. Can you think of any other examples where an individual’s actions have had a similar ripple effect?

Lucifer: Of course, there are many. Another example is the actions of Joseph Stalin, who during his rule in the Soviet Union carried out mass purges and other atrocities. His actions led to the deaths of millions of people and had a profound effect on Soviet society and the course of world history.

Fose: And how did his actions affect those around him?

Lucifer: Like Hitler, Stalin’s actions led to great suffering and destruction. His purges and other actions led to the deaths of countless innocents as well as the imprisonment and torture of many others. His actions also had a profound effect on Soviet society, creating a climate of fear and repression that endured for decades. And it still remains to this day. Honestly – I have never met a more hunted person than a Soviet. And they passed this fear on to their children…

Fose: Thank you for sharing these examples, Lucifer. Obviously, one person’s actions can have a profound effect on those around them. Is there anything else you would like to add on this topic?

Lucifer: Just that it is important for people to be aware of the impact their actions can have on others. Even small actions can have a ripple effect that will be felt for years or even generations. It is important to act with compassion and empathy and to recognize the interconnectedness of all things.


The Price of Power

Fose: First, I would like to ask you about power. Many people seek power at any cost, and they are willing to do evil things to achieve it. From your point of view, what is the price paid by people who seek power at any cost?

Lucifer: Power is a tempting power, and many people have fallen prey to its lure. The price paid by people who seek power at any cost is often their soul. They are consumed by the desire for power, and will stop at nothing to achieve it. They are willing to sacrifice their morals, their values and their humanity. They become mere vessels for their insatiable lust for power.

Fose: That’s a pretty heavy price to pay. Do you think there is a point where the price of power becomes too high?

Lucifer: Yes, there is a moment when the price of power becomes too high for even the most ambitious of personalities. Power can be an intoxicating force, and it can lead a person down a dark path. They may think they are in control, but in fact power controls them.

Fose: Can you give an example of a situation where the cost of power has become too high?

Lucifer: One example that comes to mind is the story of King Midas. He wished that everything he touched would turn to gold, and his wish was granted. At first he was thrilled with his newfound power, but he soon realized the true cost of his wish. He could not touch anything without turning it into gold, including his beloved daughter. Eventually he realized that his desire for power had cost him everything he held dear.

Fose: This is indeed a tragic story. Do you have any advice for those tempted by the lure of power?

Lucifer: I would suggest thinking about the true cost of power before striving for it. Power can be a dangerous force, and it can lead a person down a dark path. They can gain power but lose their humanity in the process. It is important to consider the consequences of one’s actions and remember that power should not be sought at all costs.


The Psychological Impact of Evil

Fose: To begin with, I’d like to ask you about the psychological consequences of engaging in evil deeds. As a demon who has been associated with evil throughout history, can you talk about the psychological consequences that arise when you commit evil?

Lucifer: Of course, Fose. Committing evil acts can have a profound psychological effect on a person. The darkness that accompanies such actions can become all-consuming, leading to feelings of isolation and despair. The weight of guilt and shame can also become overwhelming, causing one to question one’s own morals and sense of self-worth.

Fose: This sounds like an incredibly heavy burden. Do you believe that people who do evil things are capable of fully understanding the impact of their actions on themselves and others?

Lucifer: It depends on the person himself and his level of self-awareness. Some people may be fully aware of the harm they are doing and simply choose to ignore it. Others may not realize the extent of their actions until it is too late. But whether one is aware of the consequences of one’s actions or not, the psychological damage from committing evil can be devastating.

Fose: This is an interesting point. Can you tell us about specific instances in which you have witnessed the psychological consequences of doing evil?

Lucifer: I have seen countless instances in history where people have been consumed by their own darkness. They are so consumed by power and control that they lose sight of their humanity. I have seen empires rise and fall, and people who once wielded great power and influence have been consumed by their own demons.

Fose: This is certainly a sobering thought. Do you believe that there is hope for those who have done evil things to find redemption and inner peace?

Lucifer: Redemption is always possible, but it requires a willingness to face one’s own demons and take responsibility for one’s actions. It is not an easy path, but people can find inner peace and a sense of purpose even after doing evil things.

Fose: Thank you, Lucifer, for sharing your thoughts with me today. It certainly gave me a lot of food for thought.


Society’s Response to Evil

Fose: So, Lucifer, let’s start with the question of society’s reaction to evil. As a demon, you have seen and perhaps even caused a great deal of evil in the world. What do you think about how society reacts to those who do evil things?

Lucifer: Well, Fose, I must say that human society’s response to evil is quite fascinating to me. It seems that there are many ways in which society responds to evil, from punishment and imprisonment to forgiveness and rehabilitation.

Fose: Yes, that’s true. The justice system plays a big role in responding to evil acts. What do you think about the role of law enforcement and the justice system in punishing those who commit evil acts?

Lucifer: I believe that the justice system plays an important role in maintaining order and keeping people from doing evil things. However, I also believe that the justice system is sometimes flawed and can lead to unjust sentences or excessive punishments.

Fose: That’s a good point. Do you think that society’s response to evil is sufficient, or do you think that additional measures should be taken to prevent evil?

Lucifer: I think there is always room for improvement when it comes to preventing evil acts. One of the biggest problems facing society is addressing the root causes of evil, such as poverty, inequality and mental illness. By addressing these underlying problems, we can help prevent people from turning evil in the first place.

Fose: This is an interesting point of view, Lucifer. Obviously, there are many complex factors contributing to evil acts, and it is important for society to address these issues in order to prevent future acts of evil.

Lucifer: Yes, indeed. It is important that society take a holistic approach to dealing with evil, which includes not only punishment and justice, but also prevention and rehabilitation.

### Chapter 8. The Role of Free Will

The power of choice

Fose: Let’s start with the concept of choice. Do you believe that people are capable of choosing between good and evil, or are their actions predetermined?

Lucifer: I believe in the power of choice. Everyone has the ability to choose their actions, thoughts, and beliefs. They have the freedom to choose between right and wrong, between right and wrong. However, the choices they make are influenced by their environment, upbringing, and personal experiences.